I love Elite, BUT...

[Twisted Archer]

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Hey...a Chippy meter.

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I don't disagree with Rutnstrut on the topic. My thoughts have always been that the more technology we see in today's modern compounds , the more need to make adjustments. Things move bc of the stress placed on components. 30 years ago who would have thought we'd have 340+ IBO bows.
The manufacturers do the best they can,I'm sure. They try to beat the clock and keep US supplied with what WE want as fast as WE want it. Probably a lot of the issues bow manufacturers face are bc the new stuff was brought to market before complete development and testing took place. The situation is simply bc it had to get to market when WE wanted it.

This is a good response. One thing to consider is that to hire expert bow tuners, get the bow just right, etc. would significantly increase price and the bow business is pretty limited and cutthroat as is.
These issues and many others, convienced me not to buy new bows. I have 14 or so Elites and until a couple weeks ago the newest was 2008, accidently bought a Judge by placing imnimum bid on Ebay. Turns out love the bow.
Most shops cannot tune a bow very well. I decided to learn how and now I can honestly say that I can tune a binary cam bow better that most shops and my equipment was paid for in the first six months (spent a total of less than $100 by using DYI forum). I did the DYI thing for press, draw board and bought vice, levels and chrono. Download Nuts&Bolts tuning guide for free on AT. It is about 150 pages and the best I have seen. In a couple months you will be amazed at what you can do. The joy and convenience of tuning your own bow is half the fun.

[BlindBuck]

I pretty much knew this was going to be taken as a bash on Elite, it's not though. I am talking all manufacturers, I will say the Elite strings/cables are some of the worst I have seen for serving separation since I shot Mathews. I guess I am in the minority anymore by expecting a product to actually work like it's suppose to.

Hey I am right with you on this one. It is total BS spending $700-$800+ on a bow(Any Manufacture) and have it come out of the box with problems. I've been hosed more than I would like to say, and have learned my lesson.

Could be the title of the thread. But I dont think any manufacture will ever screen out its dealers.

Well that is sad, especially in PA where there is an archery shop on every corner....if you want to grow and truly be top tier and have your products recognized as such you have to dispose of the bad apples. The days of "they have been with us from the beginning" should be long gone. Archery is so competitive with so many different manufacturers who truly produce great equipment that something as simple as having dealer requirements could truly distance your brand from the rest. It would give the consumer piece of mind they are making the right choice. Especially when you consider you are purchasing a depreciating asset.





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[Chippy (aka Slippy)]

.... I've been hosed more than I would like to say....

[Maybee-R]

Well that is sad, especially in PA where there is an archery shop on every corner....if you want to grow and truly be top tier and have your products recognized as such you have to dispose of the bad apples. The days of "they have been with us from the beginning" should be long gone. Archery is so competitive with so many different manufacturers who truly produce great equipment that something as simple as having dealer requirements could truly distance your brand from the rest. It would give the consumer piece of mind they are making the right choice. Especially when you consider you are purchasing a depreciating asset.





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How can they ever do that? Dealers are people who want to start a business not some retired pro archer who knows already...Besides that every year new things come to the industry. You have to learn as your business grows.
Basic information on set up is and should be a necessity but to require a shop to know more then a company basically knows wont ever work. We all are learning more then some shops just from these sites.
I cant see it being a requirement to know more then basic set up and maybe some tuning tips from manufactures to help as things evolve.
I know a few guys who are sharp and know more then most on getting bows to their max potential but they dont want to address the retail side of archery.

[GET1]

If you wish to bowhunt, in most states, you are required to be certified to show some level of proficiency. So why shouldn't dealers be certified by the respective bow companies to show proficiency to work on said bows... How many vehicle dealerships do you know of that don't have certified mechanics working for them?

[Maybee-R]

If you wish to bowhunt, in most states, you are required to be certified to show some level of proficiency. So why shouldn't dealers be certified by the respective bow companies to show proficiency to work on said bows... How many vehicle dealerships do you know of that don't have certified mechanics working for them?

See your missing the point. Its not regular service he is asking for. Its a full blown race engine for his daily shopper that he wants.
I agree with you guys but bows come in sync and timed. Some may slip through the cracks with issues and most dealers should be able to catch it. But the thing is most of those (Assuming here) are purchased through new shops or over the Internet. drop shipping dealers who are in it to make a profit by doing Nothing to the bows. those are the guys they need to weed out.

[Chippy (aka Slippy)]

If you wish to bowhunt, in most states, you are required to be certified to show some level of proficiency. So why shouldn't dealers be certified by the respective bow companies to show proficiency to work on said bows... How many vehicle dealerships do you know of that don't have certified mechanics working for them?

Been done sir. Bowtech used to make all their dealers attend a one week "Bowtech School" aka Circlejerk. Then everyone made fun of them for being douches and I don't think they do that any more. Since very few bow companies sell direct, its to their advantage to keep the middleman (dealer) obviously. I used to think the point of having dealers was to have a place where people could go and test out bows, but the fact of the matter is, prolly 80% of Dealers don't even stock half of the Elite line let alone the full line. Pete, feel free to chime in here if my numbers are off. The point of having dealers is clearly to have someone to blame for wait times, string serving problems, locking cams, cam lean, etc.

[Chippy (aka Slippy)]

[QUOTE=Maybee-R;511375....bows come in sync and timed. Some may slip through the cracks ....[/QUOTE]

Ouch Rick, OUCH!

[retrieverfishin]

Been done sir. Bowtech used to make all their dealers attend a one week "Bowtech School" aka Circlejerk. Then everyone made fun of them for being douches and I don't think they do that any more. Since very few bow companies sell direct, its to their advantage to keep the middleman (dealer) obviously. I used to think the point of having dealers was to have a place where people could go and test out bows, but the fact of the matter is, prolly 80% of Dealers don't even stock half of the Elite line let alone the full line. Pete, feel free to chime in here if my numbers are off. The point of having dealers is clearly to have someone to blame for wait times, string serving problems, locking cams, cam lean, etc.

One of the two local shops that stock elite in my area have two elite bows. Both answers, one 70, one 60. That is it. They have absolutely no clue about draw boards or how to tune them. Probably why they have yet to sell one...