Arrow tilted downward for papertune?

[Maybee-R]

I am having a HORRIBLE time with nock low tear... I sync'ed the cams last night and set the knock and rest point at 90 to the string dead center the burgers. 3/4 in nock low tear every time.

I am shooting a 09 GT with a QAD pro. 400 easton axis at 28inch shaft length. 100g tips, with x2 blazers. the half size because of clearance issues.

I have set up dozens of bows (archery tech at gander mtn) and some tune more difficult than others... This one likes the nock point WAY high... so high that it seems wrong. The top of the arrow will be even with the top of the frist berger, and the bottom of the arrow will be even with the bottom of the second berger... I have not put a square on it but I would bet that I am pushing 5/16 to 3/8 inch above the 90 degree nock point.

This is shooting paper at 5-8 feet. like I have done in all of my other set ups and gotten bullets.

one more thing, the limbs are cranked down, and i added 4 twists to the cables, and it will not pull more than 65 lbs... was told it is a 70 bow. do I have to take the limbs off to see what the defeltion is? or where is the number located.

Matty

Take the limbs off and make sure the same size rocker/pivots are under each limb. sounds like someone changed limbs and didnt put it back correct to me. low weight and horrible nock travel isnt the nature of these bows.

[Maybee-R]

Another thought. some rests will move upward right at the last second. these are kinda hard to set up with a level and square if they raise the arrow while triggering the release mechanism.

[eltaco]

I got my GT shooting great today. Had some contact issues going on with the nock high setup I had this morning. Moved it up and it tuned just a hair point high of level. BH and FP are hitting the same spot out to 40yds (furthest I can go in my yard) and groups are outstanding.

Crisis over. LOL!
Elk season is 9-days away, woohoo!

[matty-russ]

Is there any way to tell what limbs I have for sure with out taking them off? I dont have a full press so I have to make time to get to a shop that will let me use theirs (bow master portable press at home). if it is a 60lb bow would having the cables twisted up to 65 cause any issues?

[Maybee-R]

Is there any way to tell what limbs I have for sure with out taking them off? I dont have a full press so I have to make time to get to a shop that will let me use theirs (bow master portable press at home). if it is a 60lb bow would having the cables twisted up to 65 cause any issues?

Not for shooting issues. I wont assume on splintering or cracking a limb though.
Look at pockets where the rockers are and pay close attention you might be able to see if they look the same size by the gap. other then that you need a press to see the deflecton numbers.

[eltaco]

Is there any way to tell what limbs I have for sure with out taking them off? I dont have a full press so I have to make time to get to a shop that will let me use theirs (bow master portable press at home). if it is a 60lb bow would having the cables twisted up to 65 cause any issues?

The bowmaster will get the job done... just watch your fingers! :O

[matty-russ]

ok so didnt take the bow down yet, will do it this weekend. But i played around with it for a long time and I think I found something. But I am not sure how it figures in.

The pockets and spacers look just fine. As I draw the bow slowly it seems that the bottom cam stop hits first, then a slight bit more pull, as much as I pull when anchored, the top cam turns ever so slightly more. When I sync'ed the cams I think that my buddy was pulling to hard and it was giving me more rotation on the top cam... so I was adding twists to get it to advance and I think that I took it to far... But this is all jsut feel and looking right now. I do not have any tools really to check the specs or ATA adn BH and all that right now.

With all of that, will the timing being off cause a low nock tear? or high, depending on which way it is off? (mine is low)

The more I think about this all, there are no stickers on the bow, they guy I bought it from told me it was a 29" 70Lbs bow.... but it had #5 cams, and only maxes at 65.... I put #3 cams on and I will check the limbs too see but I am betting they are 60's and i have the cables twisted up tight...

Any way not to get off track I am getting nock low tear for now till I take it all down.

Matty

[ElitePure11]

My bow is set up like that...the arrow is just a smidge downward....I aint too worried...shootin perfect holes! My guy says most of them set up that way...

[matty-russ]

well suspicions confirmed! 123 (2008.5) deflection limbs... so backed off the cables and I am now working on the timing.

I looked at the center shot at it was at 15/16 and it always looked like the arrow was pointed away from the riser a bit... so since I had it apart I swapped the limbs and I will reset it to specs. The ATA and BH are spot on now and the draw stops are hitting at the same time. Timing is right on at third dot. just have to trim the rest launcher arm so it clears the shelf and shoot it. I don't have a scale yet so I am not sure what it is pulling but I would suspect round 62-64. So a just a bit on the high side maybe.

I am going to try a bare shaft and see what it does... just want to make sure that I am getting clearance.

I will post up when I shoot it. Thanks everyone for your help. just proves that sometimes you have to do things yourself... sad... I know, because the guy I bought from (i thought) is a really great bow-tech maybe he didn't didn't know.

Matty

[MX9799]

My bow is set up like that...the arrow is just a smidge downward....I aint too worried...shootin perfect holes! My guy says most of them set up that way...

Same here with my Pure. When I set up mine, I moved the WB so that the arrow was sitting perfectly level over the berger holes, and got a nock high tear. Knowing how all my other bows I've ever set up with a WB tuned, I moved the rest down 1/16" and got perfect bullet holes at 5' and 10'. My arrow flight looks good, and broadheads hit dead on with my field points.