Jury is out of the Judge....

[cbarber]

Sorry but I dont see the hype on this bow. Its a GT with inch shorter brace height but not any faster. Whats so special with this bow? Not bashing I love my GT but it just dont make sense. Sorry for my ignorance.

i bet it will be faster than the gt500! they will use the same rev cam with mods in 2010. 1" less bh will be faster-maybe not much, but still faster

alot of manufactors do it,
Mathews reezon 6.5 and 7 of 2009
bowtech 82nd and 101st of 2008
bowtech destroyer 340 and 350 in 2010
pse xforce 6 and xforce 7(dream season) of 2008 and 2009
pse axe 6 and axe 7 in 2010
hoyt vulcan and vectrix of 2007

[ENVY0026]

Please forgive me if this is a silly question, but what is the relevance of the Gripwerks grip to the draw length?

I thought the draw length was to the berger hole + 1.75 inches. If you put a very thick grip on the bow surely it does not affect the draw length it just means you have less effective brace height before you hit your arm. If you measure to the throat of a thick grip, I think you are not measuring the AMO length.

Hope I have not got this wrong.

It does affect the DL in that DL is measured from the throat of the grip plus 1-3/4". If you move the throat of the grip 1/4" towards the shooter you would have to increase the DL 1/4" to keep it the same.

[DustyRx]

That's about 10fps slower than Bearfoot's bow at the same specs????

TEXAS

That is what I was thinking. Don't get me wrong, it is still a fast bow but I would expect a little more.

[TimZim]

I was expecting to see a speed in the 340's for a 29/70 with an inch less brace. I'm certainly not complaining and looking forward to getting mine....just saying. But it holding at full draw so easy like is being said at 70lbs is a major plus to me. So if I get 295fps with a 450gr arrow then so be it...I'm good.

TEXAS

I shot a 435 Grain arrow to day at 308 with no peep in it so you should not have any problems getting 295 fps. 477 grain arrow was at 295 when I took the Whisker biscuit of and put a QAD on.

[TimZim]

Please forgive me if this is a silly question, but what is the relevance of the Gripwerks grip to the draw length?

I thought the draw length was to the berger hole + 1.75 inches. If you put a very thick grip on the bow surely it does not affect the draw length it just means you have less effective brace height before you hit your arm. If you measure to the throat of a thick grip, I think you are not measuring the AMO length.

Hope I have not got this wrong.

I used to be the berger button hole but they AMO changed it because Bow manufactures where starting to put 2 berger button holes on riser of the bows. So all the bows berger buttons are not the same. So it was changed to the deepest throat of the grip.

[TEXAS 10PT]

I shot a 435 Grain arrow to day at 308 with no peep in it so you should not have any problems getting 295 fps. 477 grain arrow was at 295 when I took the Whisker biscuit of and put a QAD on.

Good to know thanks for the info. Upon further thinking if you were shooting the bow with a Meta Pep that would deduct 3 more fps to 305 and lose another 5pcs for the 15 gr to 450 and its shooting right at 300fps which is just 2 off my guess!!!!!

TEXAS

[Maybee-R]

Sorry but I dont see the hype on this bow. Its a GT with inch shorter brace height but not any faster. Whats so special with this bow? Not bashing I love my GT but it just dont make sense. Sorry for my ignorance.

Just add about 10 fps to your GT and there is the hype.
My 30 inch GT is close to 338 with a loaded string.. the judge will be the fastest Elite I ever shot if I'm anywhere close to guessing the shorter brace theory.
Also most of the Elites gained 10 - 12 fps from 29 to 30 I hope this is a trend with Rev cams. We will see soon.

[ccasanova]

What about us 31" guys?

[Hunterpete]

What about us 31" guys?

You can get the GT500.

[ccasanova]

You can get the GT500.

It goes out to 31" now?

Just checked the specs on the Elite page. Sure does! When did that change? I guess I need to start hanging around here more again...

I guess my short brace Energy/Envy is about as close as I can get to a Judge. If the Judge feels and shoots like my bow, it will be a hit!