Criminal Justice System...

[Elite@Last]

so Mr. Nowlin gives me a ring today and we have an interesting discussion on the criminal justice system... what's wrong with it and what's good... thoughts on sentencing things of that nature...

so how do you guys feel about it??

do you feel sentencing is just for the crimes committed...(murders, rapes.. heinous crimes in general)
overall opinion of police officer's effectiveness at 1. preventing crime and 2. apprehending criminals

[Dave Nowlin]

First off it's a missnomer. The victim doesn't get the justice he deserves and the criminal doesn't get the punishment he deserves. The system is broke. A police officer has to go before a review board if he shoots a felon who was already shooting at him. We worry about whether lethal injection is humane, when the types of crimes for which it is prescribed are inhumane. These types of crimes are some of the most horrendous possible and yet we must treat the criminal with kid gloves as he is executed. Does anybody else see something wrong with this picture?
Dave Nowlin

[Elite@Last]

i knew i could count on ya Dave...:D

[Elite@Last]

hmm...i guess that's part of the problem.. nobody cares

[Dave Nowlin]

I knew if you thought about it long enough you'd notice. Apathy is rampant and until it gets better it won't get better.
Dave Nowlin

[BAArcher]

Murder, Rape and Heinous crimes....Death sentence

Police have their hands tied with political correctness and liberal use of civil rights.....



so Mr. Nowlin gives me a ring today and we have an interesting discussion on the criminal justice system... what's wrong with it and what's good... thoughts on sentencing things of that nature...

so how do you guys feel about it??

do you feel sentencing is just for the crimes committed...(murders, rapes.. heinous crimes in general)
overall opinion of police officer's effectiveness at 1. preventing crime and 2. apprehending criminals

[nine22]

Your right, the penalty phase of the justice system is severely broken. As for the police officers ability to detect and prevent crime, less then one percent of the population that I patrol in commits 99% of the crime. That tells me that the other 99% are good law abiding citizens that are afraid to get into trouble. The penalties are not severe enough to deter this 1%. They have gotten past the fear of getting in trouble because after arrest the penalty is ineffectual.

[Ultramax]

Your right, the penalty phase of the justice system is severely broken. As for the police officers ability to detect and prevent crime, less then one percent of the population that I patrol in commits 99% of the crime. That tells me that the other 99% are good law abiding citizens that are afraid to get into trouble. The penalties are not severe enough to deter this 1%. They have gotten past the fear of getting in trouble because after arrest the penalty is ineffectual.The funny thing is if you patrol in the 1% area then you are profiling.

[Ultramax]

First off it's a missnomer. The victim doesn't get the justice he deserves and the criminal doesn't get the punishment he deserves. The system is broke. A police officer has to go before a review board if he shoots a felon who was already shooting at him. We worry about whether lethal injection is humane, when the types of crimes for which it is prescribed are inhumane. These types of crimes are some of the most horrendous possible and yet we must treat the criminal with kid gloves as he is executed. Does anybody else see something wrong with this picture?
Dave Nowlin
Dave, I couldnt agree more.

[nine22]

Profiling is such a ugly word. The offenders, must of which are repeat offenders, have more rights then the victim. Defense attorneys and weak juries have ruined the justice system. i.e OJ Simpson.

[Dave Nowlin]

The problem is partly the lawyers. Have you noticed that most defense attorneys are liberals. The conservatives are corporate attorneys. Another thing to be considered is that most D.A.s aren't the most talented or bright lawyers out there and they are coming up against some of the most skilled attorneys in the courtroom. O.J.'s trial was like a high school basketball team competing against an NBA team. Skill will win out in the long run. Goverment bodies can't pay the salaries those highly skilled attorneys demand. So most government prosecutors are second rate. I guess it's amazing that some of them do as well as they do.
Dave Nowlin

[Playingthewind]

This seems to get beat to death(pun intended).But the judges are running and ruining this country.It is about time people wake up and vote for real change until the judges on the bench know they have to do what is right for society not what is politically correct.The death penalty has to be in effect in all 50 states and legalizing concealed carry for all law abiding citizens is a must.When the criminals are attacking unarmed citizens and know they can do it over and over it is time for all of us to stand up and put a stop to it without fear of being penalized more than the criminal.You get robbed you kill the s.o.b.You get raped you kill the s.o.b.You get car jacked you kill the s.o.b.Your house gets broken into you kill the s.o.b.And you know you can do it legally without reproach.This will end a lot of criminal activity.You also don't get to spend years and years on death row.Your proven guilty and all appeals run out so has your time,and public hangings need to return.Can anyone tell where i stand on capital punishment?

[Dave Nowlin]

In a state that doesn't care enough about it's private citizens to give them the right to defend themselves.
That's where you stand or sit as it may be.
Dave Nowlin

[Playingthewind]

You are so right Dave.If it was up to the judges and powers to be the citizens of Illinois would all turn in their guns and leavs their homes open for the criminals so they would not get hurt breaking down your door.This state is as bad as it can get on poilitical correctness.

[Dave Nowlin]

In Tennessee after completing certain qualifications, a private citizen can bear arms for self defense. Our politicians realize we can't all have our own private cop to protect us. A Memphis police lieutenant once told me that the responsibility to protect my family rested with me. I took what he said to heart and still do.
Dave Nowlin

[Playingthewind]

I can only wish we in Illinois were thought of that highly by our government. They seem to side with the criminals and can't understand why crime keeps climbing.

[Dave Nowlin]

Hopefully there are more honest folks in Illinois than crooks. Ya'll still have the power to vote don't you? Find a politician who actually cares about the honest people of your state and support him or her.
Dave Nowlin

[Elite@Last]

It is that 1%.. but the other 85-90% don't care as long as it doesn't happen to them.. the other 9-14% that does care usually isn't heard... the profiling comment is correct. and in some cities(of course not the one i work in:rolleyes:) will put higher patrol focus on rich neighborhoods because of pressure from certain committees.. which of course the board members of said committees live in these rich neighborhoods..and when you look at the grid the majority of crime is committed in poor neighborhoods.. it's back to the "Broken Window" theory.. more crime is committed in these areas because the criminals see it as accepted behaviour...on 1 side i'm proud and enjoy my job... but i'm also let down by society and government as a whole.

[Dave Nowlin]

Sometimes I wonder if the wealthy take the attitude, let them kill each other off and then we won't be bothered. They want police in their neighborhoods and aren't worried when the thugs attack the poorer yet still honest citizens.
Dave Nowlin

[Elite@Last]

i see it all the time... the main reason i'm moving is because i got reprimanded for giving a city council member a ticket... i gave him 2 warnings... and on the 2nd warning i told him i was a baseball fan so don't make 3... well less than a week later who do i catch doing 32 in a school zone(20).. the same dumbarse... well i slapped a ticket on him and slapped him for failure to signal lane change. next day my lieutenant calls me in and begins to chew me out.. did i know who he was blah blah blah... and i told him i sure did and that was his 3rd strike...well what came of it.. pink slipped.. 1point.

[Dave Nowlin]

And that is how the cookie crumbles when a beat cop tickets a politician. Here in Tennessee a member of the State Legislature is immune from speeding tickets when on State business. He's always on State business.
Dave Nowlin

[Elite@Last]

well...he still got the ticket... i made sure of that.. i told em either he pays or it's news @6... KAVU 25....they decided in what in the best interest of the city for him to go ahead and pay... owns 3 car dealerships and pitches a fit about a ticket.. it was 400 and some odd dollars though:D

[Dave Nowlin]

A State Legislator has special tags in Tennessee and is exempt.
Dave Nowlin

[Michael]

My feelings are, and most may think this to be harsh, the witness seat should be the electric chair for the accused to sit in. While seated in this chair, the cost of keeping this individual, and "rehabilitating" him/her, should be disclosed to the jury so they are aware of the impacts on the American taxpayers. If sufficient evidence is presented, the jury should vote guilty, at which time the switch is thrown for all to see what happens when you commit these types of crimes. After a few public Fry-Daddy shows, the crime rate should drop. Option two is to present sufficient evidence and allow the victims family to check the offender out for a little party away from the jail.

[Dave Nowlin]

There is just one thing that needs to be remembered here. When someone does something terrible and undeserved to you, you become a victim once. When you hate that individual for what they do to you,you become a victim forever. Hatred eats a person alive. It becomes all consuming. It becomes your whole purpose in life and colors all you say and do. I know, I have seen what it can do first hand. Scripture also speaks to this issue. Forgiveness is the hardest thing a Christian MUST do.
Dave Nowlin

[Tough Antler Tees]

There is just one thing that needs to be remembered here. When someone does something terrible and undeserved to you, you become a victim once. When you hate that individual for what they do to you,you become a victim forever. Hatred eats a person alive. It becomes all consuming. It becomes your whole purpose in life and colors all you say and do. I know, I have seen what it can do first hand. Scripture also speaks to this issue. Forgiveness is the hardest thing a Christian MUST do.
Dave Nowlin
You expressed it better than I could & I agree 100%!:)

[Ultramax]

A State Legislator has special tags in Tennessee and is exempt.
Dave NowlinOne of our local state representitives (Chuck Graham) just got caught driving drunk. He played every card in the politition deck trying to get out of it. Im happy to say he got his DWI any way!

[Elite@Last]

that's rare...especially for a politician... except for ol gay guy from Idaho:eek:

[BAArcher]

Forgiveness is needed buy revenge is sweet!

[fatboy95]

They need to remove all these trials from television first off. Only thing it does is makes them want to be TV Stars now. Secondly they should find judges that care and love the Constitution and what it stands for. Not trying to bend it to thier will.

It seems as the criminals have more rights than those affected by them.

[Elite@Last]

yeah but the american public likes drama and seeing other people's short comings... makes them feel better about themselves... instead of improving themselves they make themselves feel better by pointing out other peoples flaws....

[Dave Nowlin]

Yep!
Dave Nowlin

[Elite@Last]

i figured that you would agree with that dave.... GREAT MINDS THINK ALIKE;)

[Dingo]

There is just one thing that needs to be remembered here. When someone does something terrible and undeserved to you, you become a victim once. When you hate that individual for what they do to you,you become a victim forever. Hatred eats a person alive. It becomes all consuming. It becomes your whole purpose in life and colors all you say and do. I know, I have seen what it can do first hand. Scripture also speaks to this issue. Forgiveness is the hardest thing a Christian MUST do.
Dave Nowlin

Absolutely!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dave Nowlin]

Yep it's one we have to work on each day.
Dave Nowlin