cam lean

[evworld]

I never owned a binary cam bow. All my bows in the last 10 years where single cams. When I talk to others around my area they tell me that the binary system is inherent to cams leaning. Is this true?

What has been done to correct this if anything? Has Elite done anything different than Bowtech to eliminate cam lean?

Thanks,
E

[Maybee-R]

Most bows have cam lean. the only one's that have minimal or none is a shoot through cable system. cam lean is not necessarily a bad thing. Elite has less than my other Binary style bows. any bow with a cable slide will have sideways pull on the cables and that tends to lean the cams.

[Archery-Addiction]

In the binary cam, it is pretty much impossible to eliminate cam lean. As long as the cams lean the exact same every time, and to not lean so far that they hit the limbs you will not see a problem. The Elite's have a very small amount of cam lean, but so do the Bowtechs. It is nothing to worry about though, they shoot great.

[Jerry/NJ]

In the binary cam, it is pretty much impossible to eliminate cam lean. As long as the cams lean the exact same every time, and to not lean so far that they hit the limbs you will not see a problem. The Elite's have a very small amount of cam lean, but so do the Bowtechs. It is nothing to worry about though, they shoot great.

I agree with A-A.....as long as the lean is not excessive and is pretty much equal on both cams. Nothing to worry about, shoot and enjoy.

[Scablands]

In the binary cam, it is pretty much impossible to eliminate cam lean. As long as the cams lean the exact same every time, and to not lean so far that they hit the limbs you will not see a problem. The Elite's have a very small amount of cam lean, but so do the Bowtechs. It is nothing to worry about though, they shoot great.

I agree also, I have four Elites and a Bowtech, some with more lean than others and they all shoot fine.

[evworld]

Is it possible for someone to post a picture of what "normal" cam lean looks like?

[Archery-Addiction]

08 Synergy Extreme...

[evworld]

Thanks for the Photo.

Am I looking at this right and is the bow at rest?? Is that normal or does the photo make it look more crooked?

[tacdriver]

That's at full draw.

[Archery-Addiction]

She is at full draw, at rest you will not see any cam lean.

[superdiablo]

Can anyone tell me if I would get less cam lean at full draw from a longer ATA Elite like the XL?
Thanks,
Javier Martinez.

[EricO]

Can anyone tell me if I would get less cam lean at full draw from a longer ATA Elite like the XL?
Thanks,
Javier Martinez.


Hmmm... I'd be interested to see this answered as well. Dave?

[Michael]

Can anyone tell me if I would get less cam lean at full draw from a longer ATA Elite like the XL?
Thanks,
Javier Martinez.
If the offset of the cabel guard is the same (don't know yet) then, yes you would because the angle of the cables would be reduced. I do not believe it would be a noticable difference though.

[superdiablo]

Thanks for the replies guys.
I would like to have option for a " ----\___ " shaped cable guard to be able to trim down the offset needed for clearance to a minimum (skinnier X10 or Nanos with FFP 187 vanes or the like do not need that much clearance). This will reduce cam lean another bite too ... This was my route before I ended with a shoot through cammed bow, which I love 90% :D.
But I never stopped looking at Elite, they have quite a bit of eye catching designs I dream of ...:rolleyes: Will I love Elite XL 91% or so :D:D:D?

[fatboy95]

Here are a couple pics from my 07 Synergy. I thought it was messed up till I learned of the cam lean. It shoots great.

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p296/fatboy95_/Bows/DSC_0133.jpg

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p296/fatboy95_/Bows/DSC_0153.jpg

[evworld]

Here are a couple pics from my 07 Synergy. I thought it was messed up till I learned of the cam lean. It shoots great.



I can see how you thought your bow was messed up...


The top cam is not that bad but the bottom one is another story...




:confused:

[Paramecium]

Wow, that bottom cam looks frightening :eek:.

[superdiablo]

Wow, that bottom cam looks frightening :eek:.
I am afraid of both :confused:!
Anyone with a similar pic from the longer ATA XL?

[cclingma]

I personally would like lots of assurance that the came lean shown above is okay. I'm a single cammer now and I'm having a hard time accepting this. I understand how the cabling and side pull of a cable guard cause it I'm just struggling with it.

[evworld]

I personally would like lots of assurance that the came lean shown above is okay. I'm a single cammer now and I'm having a hard time accepting this. I understand how the cabling and side pull of a cable guard cause it I'm just struggling with it.

Me Too!!!! :)

[fatboy95]

I had been in contact with Kevin before the board became active and emailed them the exact same pictures and they assured me that the cam lean i have on my bow is ok. As long as I am told that buy the man that designed the bow I am fine. I have shot several animals with it successfully so far but one which was my fault. Only compliant I ever had about my bow was the string noise but the CSS fixed all that and the quality of the string that came with it.

[Jerry/NJ]

Here are a couple pics from my 07 Synergy. I thought it was messed up till I learned of the cam lean. It shoots great.



Kevin might think that is ok but ole Jer doesnt. That is excessive as far as I am concerned (based on the pics). If it was my bow, it wouldn't stay that way!!

[Clean Shot]

As long as my Elites shoot the way they do....who cares. I love My bows lean or no lean!

[jsasker]

I can't believe the string doesn't come off on every shot.:confused:

[Paramecium]

I can't believe the string doesn't come off on every shot.:confused:

That's been my first thought, too. I would be frightened shooting this bow http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/images/smilies/animated/fear.gif. Kevin sure knows if it's save or not but I would still fell a bit unconfident with that amount of cam lean.

[Maybee-R]

That is not right Fatboy95. the bottom cam doesn't look like it is leaning all that much. the cables and string look to me like they are out side the line of the riser. are they touching the css at full draw? some sideway torque is involved or something. I dont understand the angle of the string and cables. do you have a pic of the whole bow at full draw?

I dont think Kevin looked at the bottom cam in the pic. That is scary.

[Playingthewind]

Cam lean in a lot of cases involves bow hand torque. I think that is the reason the same guys seem to always have more than the next guy. The picture that is the bottom cam appears to have some severe torque as the string is outside the cam and the cam is not leaning much. Just my .02 worth.

[Soumi]

Here are a couple pics from my 07 Synergy. I thought it was messed up till I learned of the cam lean. It shoots great.

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p296/fatboy95_/Bows/DSC_0153.jpg

That just can't be right.............:eek:

[Soumi]

Cam lean in a lot of cases involves bow hand torque. I think that is the reason the same guys seem to always have more than the next guy. The picture that is the bottom cam appears to have some severe torque as the string is outside the cam and the cam is not leaning much. Just my .02 worth.

You're right.....The cam has some lean but it also appears the string is parrallel with the cables suggesting major torque or something else going on.

[Elite_Kevin]

I have never actually seen those pics, and if I did I would have said STOP TORQUING THE STRING.

The only true way to see if the bow has limb twist, cam lean can only occur if the bearings were bad, is to draw the bow in a draw board so there is no human influence or torque, and then shoot a laser from one cam to the other, this is how we check it.


I would like to see this bow in person.

[Dave Nowlin]

Regarding the single cam comments on this thread. Single cam shooters always look at the idler wheel which is in front and above their face. It might scare some of you if you actually looked at the cams on your bows when in a draw board. There is no yoke on a single cam to stop lean of the cam. Folks who find cam lean on a binary scary ought to stand behind single cam shooters on an indoor range and look at their cams.
Dave Nowlin

[fatboy95]

I do not have a drawing board as of yet. I plan on building one soon. I will draw the bow again and have my wife take pictures of it again at full draw again and make sure I don't influence any torque. I know one thing it still shoots dang good. I don't have any problems hitting the X or killing animals with it.