Has there been a what you want for 2013 thread?

[chappy]

If not, here it is. If there has, well here's another. I'd like past parallel limbs, just under 4 lbs,cable guard like bearfoots from the factory, mothwing winter mimicry camo. A lighter, quieter Answer if you will. I'm sure some will say that there Answer is quiet, which it is, but it's not the most quiet bow out there.

[nicko]

I'll take past parallel limbs.

[michaelpierce40]

I would like 522 fps on a 2 pound bow that draws smooth and does not vibrate or make any noise what so ever. I wan't a gyro ran stabilization system that holds the bow steady on target, no matter how much I shake. I wan't a camo that changes with the area that I am shooting. If it is all possible, I would like an auto reload feature to save time.
Think you can help me out?
Mike

[chappy]

I would like 522 fps on a 2 pound bow that draws smooth and does not vibrate or make any noise what so ever. I wan't a gyro ran stabilization system that holds the bow steady on target, no matter how much I shake. I wan't a camo that changes with the area that I am shooting. If it is all possible, I would like an auto reload feature to save time.
Think you can help me out?
Mike

Come on Mike. You know if they put the gyro on there there's no way they can get under 3 lbs. But as old as you are, and as much as you shake, you better put it on aftermarket. Also, due to the age thing, you should have the reloader just because you forget if you have one on the string or not. Maybe Elite should make a senior citizens bow. The Geriatric would be a great name. Comes in old WWII camo and has to be put away by 4:30 so you can get to dinner.

[Chippy (aka Slippy)]

shoot for 2014 now. Account for a year wait with Elite.

[Takeum]

I'd settle for a set of strings on my 2012 that are worth a crapp..... Get my drift ninja/ elite?

[wdriver]

I want full auto and suppressed.:thumb:I second Mike's gyro idea too.

[CATrapper]

What's an example of past parallel limb? Does any solid manufacturer do them?

[Wideback]

I would love to see something with similar specs as the Wrath, for treestand and blind hunting.

[chappy]

What's an example of past parallel limb? Does any solid manufacturer do them?

Mathews.......

[wdriver]

Speaking of past parallel limbs, why do some people want them?

[shootstraight]

Speaking of past parallel limbs, why do some people want them?
That style is inherently quieter and less hand shock, more energy travels up and down not forwards

[shootstraight]

I'm sure the new stuff is in process already so no point now, we won't influence a thing, maybe some of our wishes from 8 months ago though.

I just want to see some variety and also a bow that reaches advertised speeds.

[cmillett79]

Identical 33" and 35" ata matching models

Past parallel Limbs

2 track version of the Envy cams made to be DLS ( dls cams will cut out on noise issues and also pick up speed )

7" Brace height

2 berger holes !!!

Bearfoots torque free cable slide

GTO cut outs or something similar and smoothed out

[cmillett79]

What's an example of past parallel limb? Does any solid manufacturer do them?


Mathews and g5

[wdriver]

That style is inherently quieter and less hand shock, more energy travels up and down not forwards

Ahhh...... got it.


I'm sure the new stuff is in process already so no point now, we won't influence a thing, maybe some of our wishes from 8 months ago though.

I just want to see some variety and also a bow that reaches advertised speeds.

Yeah, too late now for any influence I would think. Didn't the Answer debut on Sept. 30 last year? That's a little over 2 months from now if they release at the same time this year.

[buckettim]

I hope they will expand the Answer Cams to other models...I don't even touch my Tour anymore and still have my Envy in pieces...I have a feeling that the Hunter won't be back...but its a few months away...

[Maybee-R]

I have a few ideas. But its not my money so bring it on and we can decide if its the bow or not.
Past parallel is a great idea but not a deal breaker for me. Actually shoot the straighter limb bows better my self. If I had say, it would be limbs and string improvements first. design second. Actually would like to see more beef in the risers. Like the 06s. weight in the riser helps kill vibes. JMO!

[BlindBuck]

I have a few ideas. But its not my money so bring it on and we can decide if its the bow or not.
Past parallel is a great idea but not a deal breaker for me. Actually shoot the straighter limb bows better my self. If I had say, it would be limbs and string improvements first. design second. Actually would like to see more beef in the risers. Like the 06s. weight in the riser helps kill vibes. JMO!

If not split limbs(which I know you don't like Rick) then back to 6 layer limbs, obviously we all the know the factory strings are not even in the same ballpark as they once had been. Past parallel is nice idea, but I don't think you will see it because of the patent. I would also like to see a "real" attempt made at reducing lateral torque, if it was adjustable for different arrow diameters that would be the cats rear. Probably what I would like to see more than anything else though is a bow released with zero issues out of the gate(strings,cams,machining,finish etc..) and better delivery times. I still see posts/threads of guys waiting months for MAX-1 at this time of year which is crazy, two or three months from 2013s(per normal release dates) you might as well wait. If the only way to bring delivery rates up is to release in December or January then that is fine with me.

[wdriver]

then back to 6 layer limbs

Didn't think of that one.... now that would be nice to see again.

[chappy]

Didn't think of that one.... now that would be nice to see again.

With exposed lams too. ;)

[Maybee-R]

You guys realize to get past parallel limbs the riser has to be longer? Adding more mass weight right?
You take a straight limb bow thats 36 inch ata and make it parallel its going to be more like a 28 inch ATA. I would like to see the 36 ATA parallel limbs though. That riser would be closer to 48 inches long (guessing) and hold like a rock. lol. Different angles on the pockets and some cam changes. Its easy as pie. lol!

[chappy]

You guys realize to get past parallel limbs the riser has to be longer? Adding more mass weight right?
You take a straight limb bow thats 36 inch ata and make it parallel its going to be more like a 28 inch ATA. I would like to see the 36 ATA parallel limbs though. That riser would be closer to 48 inches long (guessing) and hold like a rock. lol. Different angles on the pockets and some cam changes. Its easy as pie. lol!

Hoyt seems to be doing it. Though they use split limbs and hybrids.

[cmillett79]

Hoyt seems to be doing it. Though they use split limbs and hybrids.


G5 as well with solid limbs at that .

[eltaco]

I'm sure the new stuff is in process already so no point now, we won't influence a thing, maybe some of our wishes from 8 months ago though.

I just want to see some variety and also a bow that reaches advertised speeds.

I'm sure it's in process, but they can keep these items in mind for the mid-year revisions if they follow the same design process as 2012, hehehe.

Just a few items on my bucket list for 2013.
#1: Beyond parallel limbs
#2: Cable rod focused on torque reduction
#3: Stronger limbs in torsion
#4: Better strings and cams that don't cut them
#5: Accurate IBO #s
#6: Reduced wait times
#7: More than one new bow
#8: Figure out a way to make sure illegitimate past year's bows don't find their way to the black market

I love Elite bows, have for a few years, but I think we need to get back to the basics this year and work out the design bugs before 2013s hit the market. Being one of the first manufacturers to announce the new model is great, but not if the issues haven't been resolved.

[CATrapper]

I think it's time they shook things up and came out with a split limb model. We probably will see a revamped Z with answer cams.

I do hope they are working on a new cam system for the future because if 2013 is like this year, cam lean will be a communicable disease.

[Maybee-R]

G5 as well with solid limbs at that .

Its not light by any means. Parallel yes but 5 lbs. or as good as.

[Maybee-R]

Hoyt seems to be doing it. Though they use split limbs and hybrids.

Again heavy until the carbon riser come along.

[eltaco]

Its not light by any means. Parallel yes but 5 lbs. or as good as.

Its not light, but was almost identical to my Pulse, bare weight. Think about 4.3-4.4# if I remember correctly.

FWIW, my Element weighs more than the 3.6# advertised, too. Think it was closer to 3.8# on my scale.

[DustyRx]

Split -freaking-limbs!
Bearfoot's cable rod
PSE/NBA type grip (yea I said that)
Smooth speed

[BlindBuck]

Again heavy until the carbon riser come along.

Didn't you just ask for more mass weight?:confused:


Its not light, but was almost identical to my Pulse, bare weight. Think about 4.3-4.4# if I remember correctly.

FWIW, my Element weighs more than the 3.6# advertised, too. Think it was closer to 3.8# on my scale.

4.4 just weighed one Saturday, glad he never has a LH one swinging or it would have to come home with me:D



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[BlindBuck]

Split -freaking-limbs!
Bearfoot's cable rod
PSE/NBA type grip (yea I said that)
Smooth speed

I highly doubt you will see anything like that considering KS and Darton both applied for the patent a long time ago. They need to get with Joe and come up with something adjustable just for their bows. The old TT still is king at lateral torque reduction.

[chappy]

Again heavy until the carbon riser come along.

Actually not so. With the start of the alphamax series, and the tec-lite risers, the went sub 4 lbs. Only with the recent vector series have they gone above 4, 4.1 actually, with an aluminum riser on the 32 ata bows. The alphamax was before the carbon series.

[Maybee-R]

Didn't you just ask for more mass weight?:confused:



4.4 just weighed one Saturday, glad he never has a LH one swinging or it would have to come home with me:D



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I do want more weight yes. The op and the thread was about lighter weight. Neither of those bows are lighter then whats available already. Just pointing it out. and the advertised weight is different then actual hanging weight. A 32 inch ATA bow isnt going to compare to a 33 or 36 either.

Off track I guess. I said longer risers wont weigh less then shorter risers period. Parallel limbs lead to longer risers. all I meant.

[BlindBuck]

I do want more weight yes. The op and the thread was about lighter weight. Neither of those bows are lighter then whats available already. Just pointing it out. and the advertised weight is different then actual hanging weight. A 32 inch ATA bow isnt going to compare to a 33 or 36 either.

Off track I guess. I said longer risers wont weigh less then shorter risers period. Parallel limbs lead to longer risers. all I meant.

Rick was just playing with you, I knew what you meant. The weight I provided for the Centroid is off the shelf, think it is rated at 4.0 flat. Pretty much the industry standard inflate speed and deflate actual weight.

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[muck]

i just want the 2012 shipped :fit:

[12RingKing]

I think they should hire more builders and work on getting bows out the door. Also, quit using whoever they're using for strings and figure something else out there.

[L-train]

Could use some limb pocket shims so I dont have to make em myself.

[archer58inPA]

I'm not a fan of split limbs. I can see alot of guys are.
I had a Katera and wasn't impressed with them.
Doesn't a split/binary system require a yoke to function without limb twist?
I don't know , just asking.

I'd like to see Answer cams on a Pulse. And as an option of a few models.
A 6" BH Answer would be sweet.
And 2 Berger holes.....

[12RingKing]

I'm not a fan of split limbs. I can see alot of guys are.
I had a Katera and wasn't impressed with them.
Doesn't a split/binary system require a yoke to function without limb twist?
I don't know , just asking.

I'd like to see Answer cams on a Pulse. And as an option of a few models.
A 6" BH Answer would be sweet.
And 2 Berger holes.....
What about the obsession bows? Split limbs with 2 tracks. They seem to be good. If you have 2 yokes (split harness) isn't it no longer a binary? More of a dual cam. Kinda like the bow tech cpx's?

I remember a conversation about that taking place before.

[NHNS4]

What about the obsession bows? Split limbs with 2 tracks. They seem to be good. If you have 2 yokes (split harness) isn't it no longer a binary? More of a dual cam. Kinda like the bow tech cpx's?

I remember a conversation about that taking place before.

But hitting IBo

[Maybee-R]

What about the obsession bows? Split limbs with 2 tracks. They seem to be good. If you have 2 yokes (split harness) isn't it no longer a binary? More of a dual cam. Kinda like the bow tech cpx's?

I remember a conversation about that taking place before.
Depends on what you call binary. Slaved to each other no. which is part of it, But mirror image then yes.
Split harness would be the best system to fight lean. tracks on both sides of the cams for the cables would reduce the tension pulling from the same side. Id like to see a dual cam system come back my self. then the option of splitting the cables for those who want it and the option for a rod and slide for those who dont. Best of both worlds. also easier to get speeds or smooth draw cycles. I believe limb stops can still be used too.

[Maybee-R]

But hitting IBo
Hitting IBO is easy. as long as the manufacture doesnt use inflated numbers.

[NHNS4]

Hitting IBO is easy. as long as the manufacture doesnt use inflated numbers.

Wired how that works haha

[Maybee-R]

Wired how that works haha

It was one of those no **** dick tracy things lol.

[12RingKing]

I really don't care what they claim the speedos. It is what it is. It's not far off from what people say.

[cordwood]

I hate IBO...its so imperfect. Everybody needs to start ignoring IBO and when folks try to explain IBO, tell em to stfu. Ive said it before but there needs to be a better standard thats much more reliable and tested so that when manu's try the IBO inflation game, you can catch them lying and sue em for false advertising.

Anyhow, instead of saying IBO speed, we should say whatever the speed is on a bow with;
1.) loaded string @20gr
2.) a realistic arrow weight @400gr
3.) 28" DL
4.) 60#
...it just needs a name.

I mean seriously...pick a more realistic standard that encompasses more of the majority. IBO probably encompasses less than 1% of archers + its a bare string! Who here has a 30"DL and shoots a 5grpp arrow at 70# on a bare string, gtfo!

[INGOZI]

The Answer is a perfect combination of speed, forgiveness and comfort. I'm sure Elite will release something incredible, but I really love my Answer!

[12RingKing]

I hate IBO...its so imperfect. Everybody needs to start ignoring IBO and when folks try to explain IBO, tell em to stfu. Ive said it before but there needs to be a better standard thats much more reliable and tested so that when manu's try the IBO inflation game, you can catch them lying and sue em for false advertising.

Anyhow, instead of saying IBO speed, we should say whatever the speed is on a bow with;
1.) loaded string @20gr
2.) a realistic arrow weight @400gr
3.) 28" DL
4.) 60#
...it just needs a name.

I mean seriously...pick a more realistic standard that encompasses more of the majority. IBO probably encompasses less than 1% of archers + its a bare string! Who here has a 30"DL and shoots a 5grpp arrow at 70# on a bare string, gtfo!

How about SHAR or Stubby Hunters Arms Rating!

[elite]

Split -freaking-limbs!
Bearfoot's cable rod
PSE/NBA type grip (yea I said that)
Smooth speed

EWWWWWWW!!!!!! I love the Elite side plates

[string music]

The Answer is a perfect combination of speed, forgiveness and comfort. I'm sure Elite will release something incredible, but I really love my Answer!

My thoughts exactly

[12RingKing]

What about a "long answer" and the "short answer"? Lol

[wdriver]

I've seen a few concerns here and there :shooting: about accurate IBO ratings. I've read many posts of Elite bow speeds over the last few years. I'm speaking of 2010 models and foward. I've then ran many of them through a speed calculator and found that the (overwhelmingly) vast majority of them were well within their stated IBO rating.
:noidea:

[P.Smash]

Here's novel idea.....how about a Bone-A-Fied speed bow?? Maybe step outside the ole box and throw in some new technology (at least new to Elite)....like 3 or 4 more cams........That seems to work for G-5 :noidea:


Anyway, at least it'd shut the speed freaks up :freakjam: Like me :thumb:

[chappy]

Here's novel idea.....how about a Bone-A-Fied speed bow?? Maybe step outside the ole box and throw in some new technology (at least new to Elite)....like 3 or 4 more cams........That seems to work for G-5 :noidea:


Anyway, at least it'd shut the speed freaks up :freakjam: Like me :thumb:

What the........'bout time you got back. You mom's been asking me where you were.

[P.Smash]

What the........'bout time you got back. You mom's been asking me where you were.

She's out of prison? :noidea:

[ntypicl11]

She's out of prison? :noidea:

Better not type that too loud, she's gonna come downstairs and kick you in the private parts!!!

[cordwood]

How about SHAR or Stubby Hunters Arms Rating!

Listen man, im just trying to find a standard that relates to the vast majority of archers...something the IBO is obviously avoiding in an attempt to fraud the public, and most bow manufacturers couldnt be happier!

Myself, im above average with a 29"DL @72# using a 430gr arrow. And even if we call it the SHAR, I can use the SHAR system to much more accurately estimate what kind of speed I can expect from a bow. Using IBO, the numbers are just too hyped and not even close to actual numbers with those that like to use a peep, d-loop, and a real arrow!