Pure on ebay

[dougedwards]

Was there any of the Pures that were also sold by G5 that carry no warranty. There is a guy selling one on AT who says that since he bought the bow on ebay it carries no warranty by Elite. I knew there were many Z28 bows sold by G5 but had no clue that the Pure was also among these with no warranty.

Doug

[GoosebyFluFlu]

I would get the serial number and call elite. That is the only way to find out and I don't think there was. Maybe he is mistaken that its not all of any elite on ebay just the leftovers.

[dougedwards]

Gosh....I would think that someone would know if it is possible that G5 also produced some Pures for sale.

[Perry24]

I thought there were some Pures too. Elite only started in-house manufacturing with the 2012 line-up.

[Pin Wheel]

yes the guy had a few for sale with the z28 not many but he did have some he told me g5 built

[Pulse76]

I've seen that same guy selling Z28's, Pure's, GT 500's and I believe a couple of Pulse's. He specifically has a disclaimer on all of his ebay listings now saying that they are not covered by Elite's warranty, but he offers his own warranty. I'd ask for the serial number and call Elite with it to make sure. This is causing a big stink. Originally he was only selling Z28's & GT500's.....but now he is selling 2011 models too. Gonna make things more difficult for those trying to sell their used Elites. Not trying to beat a dead horse. I know this has been discussed in numerous previous posts. Do a search for ebay on here and there should be a few threads. But, to answer your question, he did have a few G5 Pures for sale. The seller's name on Ebay is archeryelements or huntingelements. Here is a Pure he has on Ebay right now: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Elite-PURE-NEW-50-60-29-All-Black-full-SELLER-warranty-/310398523862?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item48453199d6. He doesn't have the disclaimer on this one, but it does say "full seller warranty" in the description.

[dougedwards]

This is unprecedented in the field of sporting goods. There has never been any Nikons or Bushnells or Zeiss or any other rifle scope manufacturers that I know offer lifetime transferable warranties that has had any product produced with THEIR name on it that wasn't treated with the same respect as all other labeled produced product. Not to mention Truball, Hot Shot, Axcell, Spot Hogg and any other company producing sporting goods. Even those companies that have taken over the previous company assets and name....they still honor the warranties of the previous company.

[Gunpowder]

Call and check. I was able to find a new/never registered Pure for just a hair above what these are selling for. and Elite says the # is good :woohoo:. I did call before buying. It was not on Ebay.

[Rgarbarino]

Just get over it, it's getting really old listening to guys complain about why these bows should be warrantied by elite. It's been said many times now that they are not covered. If you want a warranty buy a bow somewhere other than this guy on eBay.

[Twisted Archer]

This is unprecedented in the field of sporting goods. There has never been any Nikons or Bushnells or Zeiss or any other rifle scope manufacturers that I know offer lifetime transferable warranties that has had any product produced with THEIR name on it that wasn't treated with the same respect as all other labeled produced product. Not to mention Truball, Hot Shot, Axcell, Spot Hogg and any other company producing sporting goods. Even those companies that have taken over the previous company assets and name....they still honor the warranties of the previous company.

Actually Elite did step up with the transferable full warranty for all the original Elite's from 2006 to 2008 when they took over but all of those were actually REAL Elite's that were bought and sold by Elite and not some counterfeit G5 knock off, if G5 really wanted to they would step up and offer the warranty since it is THEIR bow but I wouldn't hold my breath. Elite has already stated that they are not covered and I don't blame them as they did not buy them and then turn around and sell them, Elite has to have a way to cover the costs of the transferable warranty and that has to come from their new bow sales not G5's.

Try and get Zeiss, Nikon or Bushnell to warranty a counterfeit version of one of their products and see how far you get and really that is all that the G5 bows are. And I have to agree with Rgarbarino with all the recent whining and crying when guys who buy a clearly listed auction Elite that states the bow does NOT have a Elite warranty but they buy it anyway because it is half the price of the 2012's that the dealers stock but then get their panties in a bunch when they can't use the warranty that they knew they never had in the first place.

[Rand]

This is unprecedented in the field of sporting goods. There has never been any Nikons or Bushnells or Zeiss or any other rifle scope manufacturers that I know offer lifetime transferable warranties that has had any product produced with THEIR name on it that wasn't treated with the same respect as all other labeled produced product. Not to mention Truball, Hot Shot, Axcell, Spot Hogg and any other company producing sporting goods. Even those companies that have taken over the previous company assets and name....they still honor the warranties of the previous company.


You said the key quote here.......taken over the previous companys assets and name.Elite did not take over G5s assets.They just had them build them bows.COMPLETELY different then what youre talking about.

[dougedwards]

Bushnell, Nikon or Zeiss would never provide warranty on a counterfeit version of one of their products because none exist and never will without recourse. That is because it is illegal to produce such and the counterfeiting company would be facing a law suit. Keep in mind that these "counterfeits" contain a patented Elite logo. It is obvious that Elite has some responsibility to step up and either treat all bows that contain the Elite logo as their own or do something about it within the legal system.

"And I have to agree with Rgarbarino with all the recent whining and crying when guys who buy a clearly listed auction Elite that states the bow does NOT have a Elite warranty but they buy it anyway because it is half the price of the 2012's that the dealers stock but then get their panties in a bunch when they can't use the warranty that they knew they never had in the first place.<snip from Twisted Archer>

This scenario is not always the case. I recently bought a Pure on ebay at a very good price. At this point I do not know if it is one of these "counterfeit" versions or not but I will know tomorrow when I pick it up at the post office and call it in to Elite. This is obviously a scandal and Elite should step up and at least explain how G5 is able to legally get away with producing their patented product with no recourse by Elite. If this Pure is indeed a "repllica" at a good price I will then need to contact the seller and inform him that I will need to return the bow as it was sold without full disclosure of the item sold. This causes a huge problem because it is very possible that the seller was unaware that a patented product could be sold by another company. As said, this is unprecendented. There should be no confusion. This thing should be cut and dry. But it isn't. It is totally consfusing.

Doug

[CelticSavage]

I got my Elite Z28 off of EBay. I didn't bother to read the disclaimer which was my fault. I bought the bow because of everything I have read about Elite bows over the last couple of years on Archery Talk. I'm a little bummed out that there is no warranty. On the other hand I have bought or traded 15+ bows in the classified section over the last couple years and had no warranty with them. I've never bought a bow for the warranty and really never had a warranty issue on any of the bows I've owned. I will also add that my "counterfeit" Elite is a joy to shoot. Whether it be the long brace height, smooth draw or grip. I enjoy shooting this bow more than any bow I've had in the last several years. All things aside I do believe I am now an Elite fan boy.

[Pulse76]

I got my Elite Z28 off of EBay. I didn't bother to read the disclaimer which was my fault. I bought the bow because of everything I have read about Elite bows over the last couple of years on Archery Talk. I'm a little bummed out that there is no warranty. On the other hand I have bought or traded 15+ bows in the classified section over the last couple years and had no warranty with them. I've never bought a bow for the warranty and really never had a warranty issue on any of the bows I've owned. I will also add that my "counterfeit" Elite is a joy to shoot. Whether it be the long brace height, smooth draw or grip. I enjoy shooting this bow more than any bow I've had in the last several years. All things aside I do believe I am now an Elite fan boy.

I wouldn't consider it a "counterfeit" Elite. G5 used to build the bows for Elite, so they are using the same limbs, risers, cams, etc. It just comes down to the fact that they are still assembling and producing these bows with their leftover parts...after Elite parted ways. So, you have all the same parts, just no warranty. Enjoy the bow, I've heard nothing but great things about the Z.

[CelticSavage]

I love the bow. My only problem is I know nothing about Elite or the bow I purchased. I guess that's why I joined these forums. I want to gain more knowledge about the now that I'm shooting.

[Twisted Archer]

Bushnell, Nikon or Zeiss would never provide warranty on a counterfeit version of one of their products because none exist and never will without recourse. That is because it is illegal to produce such and the counterfeiting company would be facing a law suit. Keep in mind that these "counterfeits" contain a patented Elite logo. It is obvious that Elite has some responsibility to step up and either treat all bows that contain the Elite logo as their own or do something about it within the legal system.

"And I have to agree with Rgarbarino with all the recent whining and crying when guys who buy a clearly listed auction Elite that states the bow does NOT have a Elite warranty but they buy it anyway because it is half the price of the 2012's that the dealers stock but then get their panties in a bunch when they can't use the warranty that they knew they never had in the first place.<snip from Twisted Archer>

This scenario is not always the case. I recently bought a Pure on ebay at a very good price. At this point I do not know if it is one of these "counterfeit" versions or not but I will know tomorrow when I pick it up at the post office and call it in to Elite. This is obviously a scandal and Elite should step up and at least explain how G5 is able to legally get away with producing their patented product with no recourse by Elite. If this Pure is indeed a "repllica" at a good price I will then need to contact the seller and inform him that I will need to return the bow as it was sold without full disclosure of the item sold. This causes a huge problem because it is very possible that the seller was unaware that a patented product could be sold by another company. As said, this is unprecendented. There should be no confusion. This thing should be cut and dry. But it isn't. It is totally consfusing.

Doug

You did not buy one of the new ebay Elite's that I was talking about so I am not referring to you, you may or may not have been screwed my friend by someone who is trying to unload a bow. You don't even know if it is a G5 Elite and it could be that it is a real Elite so you may have nothing to worry about, we have no idea if Elite is already working on a legal fix for this. I would figure since they are not commenting on it they very well may be working on it, if you want cut and dry buy your bow new from a dealer so there is no question about the warranty it's actually that simple.

[Maybee-R]

Bushnell, Nikon or Zeiss would never provide warranty on a counterfeit version of one of their products because none exist and never will without recourse. That is because it is illegal to produce such and the counterfeiting company would be facing a law suit. Keep in mind that these "counterfeits" contain a patented Elite logo. It is obvious that Elite has some responsibility to step up and either treat all bows that contain the Elite logo as their own or do something about it within the legal system.


Doug

This might be what is in the works we dont know. Ranting about it wont hurry up the process. I agree some one needs to address this.
Buying new is the only way I can see Elite making a living. the whole transferable warranty thing to me is killer, as far as selling a second year model new. Only new releases seem to promote new sales.
Some of the bows sold online as new from dealers used to be frowned on. Not sure how this is all going to play out. But it does offend dealers too.

[BlindBuck]

Actually Elite did step up with the transferable full warranty for all the original Elite's from 2006 to 2008 when they took over but all of those were actually REAL Elite's that were bought and sold by Elite and not some counterfeit G5 knock off, if G5 really wanted to they would step up and offer the warranty since it is THEIR bow but I wouldn't hold my breath. Elite has already stated that they are not covered and I don't blame them as they did not buy them and then turn around and sell them, Elite has to have a way to cover the costs of the transferable warranty and that has to come from their new bow sales not G5's.

Try and get Zeiss, Nikon or Bushnell to warranty a counterfeit version of one of their products and see how far you get and really that is all that the G5 bows are. And I have to agree with Rgarbarino with all the recent whining and crying when guys who buy a clearly listed auction Elite that states the bow does NOT have a Elite warranty but they buy it anyway because it is half the price of the 2012's that the dealers stock but then get their panties in a bunch when they can't use the warranty that they knew they never had in the first place.


TA I agree with everything above except "not some counterfeit G5 knock off". It isn't a knock off when they produced 100% of the bows prior to this year, including the assembly.(At least 2010-2011) Do you honestly think Elite didn't give them the OK to sell these? Pete would have slapped a cease desist instantaneously on this if that wasn't the case. I am sure this was done to bleed off the left over inventory when they moved all the manufacturing to the machine shop(s) in NY.

[Twisted Archer]

This might be what is in the works we dont know. Ranting about it wont hurry up the process. I agree some one needs to address this.
Buying new is the only way I can see Elite making a living. the whole transferable warranty thing to me is killer, as far as selling a second year model new. Only new releases seem to promote new sales.
Some of the bows sold online as new from dealers used to be frowned on. Not sure how this is all going to play out. But it does offend dealers too.

You are dead on there Rick, I managed two pro shops back home and I remember my boss tried selling some new last year Bowtechs that he had over ordered on ebay and Bowtech told him to shut it down. He had to take a beating on them as they were as far as all the customers were concerned last year's bows, he learned quick and when October rolled around all he really had hanging on the wall were all my bows as shoot able demos and then we ordered what the customer wanted. And I kind of agree on the transferable warranty as it is a killer.

[Twisted Archer]

TA I agree with everything above except "not some counterfeit G5 knock off". It isn't a knock off when they produced 100% of the bows prior to this year, including the assembly.(At least 2010-2011) Do you honestly think Elite didn't give them the OK to sell these? Pete would have slapped a cease desist instantaneously on this if that wasn't the case. I am sure this was done to bleed off the left over inventory when they moved all the manufacturing to the machine shop(s) in NY.


Dude it was 1 am or so and that was the best I could think of, what I was trying to get at is that since Elite in theory never ordered, paid for, brought in and logged in as a serial numbered Elite bow and then sold the bow to a dealer that it is a warrant-able Elite bow. It's a parts bow that G5 made and sold and should be warrantied through G5 since they are the ones who sold it, but that's just what I think and no one has to agree with me.

[BlindBuck]

This might be what is in the works we dont know. Ranting about it wont hurry up the process. I agree some one needs to address this.
Buying new is the only way I can see Elite making a living. the whole transferable warranty thing to me is killer, as far as selling a second year model new. Only new releases seem to promote new sales.
Some of the bows sold online as new from dealers used to be frowned on. Not sure how this is all going to play out. But it does offend dealers too.

Rick I see the transferable warranty as a gimmick for Elite to sell more bows. I have been involved in archery for over two decades have owned countless numbers of bows and only once every sent one back for warranty work.(non Elite) Granted this year I have seen more Elite's going back based on posts and threads on here when compared to 2010-2011, but I don't think Elite would sell the number of bows they do without the "Warranty" and the "Hunters Guarantee". As much as people on here hate to admit it they are not a recognizable name in the archery industry to the non forum junkie. I am sure you could add up all the sales of the smaller companies like Athens, Elite, Strother etc and it wouldn't touch the big names.

[BlindBuck]

Dude it was 1 am or so and that was the best I could think of, what I was trying to get at is that since Elite in theory never ordered, paid for, brought in and logged in as a serial numbered Elite bow and then sold the bow to a dealer that it is a warrant-able Elite bow. It's a parts bow that G5 made and sold and should be warrantied through G5 since they are the ones who sold it, but that's just what I think and no one has to agree with me.

lol didn't mean to offend you TA. I do agree to a point, except I feel Elite gave the go ahead because of the transition that was made. It makes logical business Grace sells off over stock of 2010-2011, even though the bows from 2011 remained the riser changed so they were of little or no value to Elite. Plus they don't have to warranty the bows, honestly if that is what happened it was a good business move.JMO

[Twisted Archer]

lol didn't mean to offend you TA. I do agree to a point, except I feel Elite gave the go ahead because of the transition that was made. It makes logical business Grace sells off over stock of 2010-2011, even though the bows from 2011 remained the riser changed so they were of little or no value to Elite. Plus they don't have to warranty the bows, honestly if that is what happened it was a good business move.JMO

You didn't offend me at all brother, I was just trying to give a insight to my train of thought at 1 am. I guess when I get tired it starts to go towards Hulk smash.

[BlindBuck]

lol gotcha! I know the feeling

[dougedwards]

I am not commenting on Elite's warranty policy as compared to other bow manufacturers. I also do not believe that someone MUST buy all of their bows from a dealer to feel confident that they are purchasing an authentic piece of equipment. That makes no sense. Chances are that the Pure that I bought on ebay is an official Elite bow that was not sold by G5 but the For Sale listing on AT Classifieds stating that his particular Pure had no warranty from Elite. This started me to thinking that this thing really has no end since I thought that it was only the Z28 that was sold by G5.

My comment has to do with this strange situation as a whole and how it is unprecedented in the sporting goods industry or any other industry for that matter. One of the major selling points of Elite is they place a warranty directly on their bows and not the owner of the bow. This is a selling point in that the original purchaser can feel confident that they will be able to sell the bow at a reasonable price in the future if need be. And you know how we archers like to buy and sell our bows.

But now here comes the confusion.........all of the bows look alike and act alike and you can't tell the Elite from the G5 that looks exactly as the Elite with the exact Elite logo. There is something rotten in Denmark and possibly Elite is working on a solution to this but the problem was not created by the consumer. But it is definitely the consumer who is confused.

I am going to assume that Elite Pure that I bought from an Ebay seller is an authentic one since the seller told me that he bought out a sporting goods store and this was one of the items. I bought the bow not knowing the draw length as the seller had no clue as to what a draw length was. Three times he offered to refund my money but I felt confident that only the Z28 had been sold by G5.

My comments have nothing to do with anything that is personal in nature but as a result of witnessing this very unusual situation where the consumer can never be sure that he is buying an authentic item until after he purchases the item and checks with the manufacturer of the item. This reflects badly on the whole industry in my opinion. Is it real or is it Memorex? Who knows because they all look and act the same but one of them is treated much differently. Will the real G5 bow please stand up?

Doug

[Twisted Archer]

Doug,

I understand that it puts the consumer on the wrong end of the deal, if the person selling the bow does not want to offer up the serial number then chances are it one of the parts bows made by G5. If you get the serial number and the seller is a stand up guy and will wait for you to check it out with Elite then all you have to do is call Elite and have them check the serial number and they will tell you, is that the way it should be? Not at all but for now that is the only system we have to verify the numbers as consumers, could Elite set up the database with all the serial numbers they have purchased? Of course but that would take time and it would be up to Elite to do that but it would make it very easy for guys who buy used Elite's to see if they are under warranty, I have always thought that there was something wrong with this situation but it is what it is and at least Elite has come out and stated that for at least the time being the bows in question are not covered.

I know I will avoid the 2010-2011 models as used bows but I tend to lean towards the older stuff anyway so this really won't have any effect on my personal collection and I hope that Elite will find a way to at least check out any bow in question in a timely manner as there have been posts of guys who lost out on a deal due to waiting to hear back on the serial number, maybe that was a good thing though in the long run.

[Gunpowder]

The other way to solve the used market is to confirm the serial number w/ Elite before yo post it for sale. If resellers do this and buyers insist on it it may become common to see the serial number and/or confirmation in the sale description. I checked mine before I bought and "IF" I ever sell my Pure I will post it for all to see because it increases the values of my Pure.

[retrieverfishin]

To the guys that are complaining about Elite not offering a warranty with these bows:
Do you think that if some guy off of the assembly line steals the parts from the shop and assembles them and sells them on ebay should that "elite" bow be covered under their warranty too? It says elite on the limbs and the riser....

[vhunter]

To the guys that are complaining about Elite not offering a warranty with these bows:
Do you think that if some guy off of the assembly line steals the parts from the shop and assembles them and sells them on ebay should that "elite" bow be covered under their warranty too? It says elite on the limbs and the riser....

Yes, because they are responsible for who they hire.

From the things I have heard threw the grapevine, Elite had first chance at buying these bows and told G5 to take a hike.

So it is what it is. Lots of confusion.

[shootstraight]

It really doesn't matter anyway, I heard Obsession is buying Elite this summer...

[archer58inPA]

This is becoming a legal issue I'm sure.
G5 did not have the right to leave "Elite" logo's on these bows once their business dealings were done.
They should have removed the logo and put G5 on them.
G5 sold the bows under false pretense. Using the logo is a copyright infringement.

Look at it in terms of the automobile business.
If Toyota was manufacturing a car for Ford in 2010 and they had left over parts in 2011,
they sure can't assemble a car with the Ford logo's on them and sell them in 2011 if their contract had expired for said assembly.
There's no difference in what has taken place here.

The fact that no one from Elite or G5 has commented tells me that there is legal action pending.

[Gunpowder]

It really doesn't matter anyway, I heard Obsession is buying Elite this summer...

Who? Why would a perfume want to buy a bow company?

[vhunter]

This is becoming a legal issue I'm sure.
G5 did not have the right to leave "Elite" logo's on these bows once their business dealings were done.
They should have removed the logo and put G5 on them.
G5 sold the bows under false pretense. Using the logo is a copyright infringement.

Look at it in terms of the automobile business.
If Toyota was manufacturing a car for Ford in 2010 and they had left over parts in 2011,
they sure can't assemble a car with the Ford logo's on them and sell them in 2011 if their contract had expired for said assembly.
There's no difference in what has taken place here.

The fact that no one from Elite or G5 has commented tells me that there is legal action pending.


That would all depend on there contract and who owned what. When EO bought Elite there was a lot of speculation that G5 was the money behind the deal. Maybe there was something to that. I find it kinda strange that after the split Elite changed there riser and there logo.

[Rgarbarino]

It really doesn't matter anyway, I heard Obsession is buying Elite this summer...

Yeah, and Kevin is coming back as designer.......

[archer58inPA]

If G5 had any money in EO, I think it would have been more public. G5 probably would have announced something to the effect.
I also would have to believe if G5 did have money in Elite this situation would not have occurred.
I remember the speculation also. It was bc Pete was from G5.

[dougedwards]

Well, I got my Pure in today and the serial number checks out. I called Elite and was informed of it's authenticity in less than 3 minutes. That was outstanding.

I still feel for the people who purchase what they think is an Elite bow and do not receive the lifetime warranty that Elite offers on their bows. Just because you may (or may not) get a deal on a bow does not justify the confusion and deception that surrounds this issue. I think that it hurts the industry as a whole.

We archers love to buy and sell bows. I have had probably over 30 bows in the last 2 1/2 years. I like to shoot them extensively to see how I like them and usually sell them. Now there will always be some doubt and hesitancy in my mind before I fork out my money on a used Elite bow. Elite did confirm that there were some Pures sold by G5.

Doug

[Rand]

Obsession buying Elite? ummmm how would a struggling archery company manage to buy a pretty well established growing company? I guess if theres deep pockets anything is possible.

[kydirtbag]

I don't worry about transferable warranty anyway. It's not a selling point for me, it's the bow itself. Elites fit & finish is the best in the biz (IMHO), that's why I buy Elite.

I wouldn't have a problem buying one of the g5 built Elites because they did in the first place.

Rev'd e500 with Yeti Archery side plates
MBH Energy with Rev cams (coming soon) with Yeti Archery side plates (aka Faith)

[vhunter]

This is becoming a legal issue I'm sure.
G5 did not have the right to leave "Elite" logo's on these bows once their business dealings were done.
They should have removed the logo and put G5 on them.
G5 sold the bows under false pretense. Using the logo is a copyright infringement.

Look at it in terms of the automobile business.
If Toyota was manufacturing a car for Ford in 2010 and they had left over parts in 2011,
they sure can't assemble a car with the Ford logo's on them and sell them in 2011 if their contract had expired for said assembly.
There's no difference in what has taken place here.

The fact that no one from Elite or G5 has commented tells me that there is legal action pending.

OK so I decided to do a legal search to see id there was if fact any legal actions pending between G5 and Elite. Didn't find any bit I did find this.
http://news.priorsmart.com/precision-shooting-equipment-v-elite-outdoors-l5Kb/

[shootstraight]

OK so I decided to do a legal search to see id there was if fact any legal actions pending between G5 and Elite. Didn't find any bit I did find this.
http://news.priorsmart.com/precision-shooting-equipment-v-elite-outdoors-l5Kb/

Did I see this right, they patented multiple holes all over the riser for sight mounting. That's ludicrous if it is!

[Gunpowder]

Did I see this right, they patented multiple holes all over the riser for sight mounting. That's ludicrous if it is!

2013-Only bow on the market that you can mount sights on is PSE and any others that paid for copyrights. :hit_self:

[Pulse76]

Yup, a totally ridiculous law suit. Looks to me that they are suing Elite & Martin for using a 4 hole sight mounting pattern. What's next, are they going to sue someone for patent infringement for using a grip, limbs, riser & cams?? Total waste of money IMO

[Twisted Archer]

Did I see this right, they patented multiple holes all over the riser for sight mounting. That's ludicrous if it is!

You have to remember Pete Shepley/PSE more than likely holds more archery related patents than anyone one else in archery, ludicrous or not. Some one actually patented using speed nocks on a string as well, that is why so many have moved to the grubbs or at least that is what I figure.

[vhunter]

Did I see this right, they patented multiple holes all over the riser for sight mounting. That's ludicrous if it is!
That's may take on it also. Stupid, no wonder we pay so much for bows.

[archer58inPA]

OK so I decided to do a legal search to see id there was if fact any legal actions pending between G5 and Elite. Didn't find any bit I did find this.
http://news.priorsmart.com/precision-shooting-equipment-v-elite-outdoors-l5Kb/
Wow! Isn't it getting a lot petty in this industry?
A law suit over 2 holes!!!

[Pulse76]

Anytime you mess with somebody's hole or holes (for some of the freaks) without their permission you are just asking for trouble. Just saying :toothless:

That was my laugh for today, thanks!

[HORSEMOVER]

That was my laugh for today, thanks!

Glad I could help Bill

[todd308]

It's a mess for sure,

Worse yet is some of those ebay bows are not coming built correct, and getting them fixed is a hassle. IMO G5 is slapping them together with whatever left over parts they have. Local guy bought a 2011 Pure, supposed to be a 50-60# bow, came with 215 deflection limbs maxed out at 53#. He pushed the ebay seller to send replacements and after 4 weeks he finally sent a set, of course they were defection 123's and maxed out at 66#. He was finally able to get his money back after filing a dispute with Ebay/Paypal, after giving the seller 6 weeks to fix the problem unsuccessfully.

So if G5 is putting these bows together properly how come they aren't coming with the right deflection limbs? Neither of those limb deflections are even listed on the Elite pure tune charts as options! More than one person on AT has had the same problem, ebay bows showing up with the wrong limbs, and hassles dealing with the ebay seller to get parts/fix. In addition there have been some posts started complaining about other issues and how they were handled in a similar way with the ebay seller in question on products other than just the Elite bows that have been quickly deleted by moderators.

Take a look at all the "brand new" "barely used" "only shot 100 times" 2009-2011 elite's in the AT classifieds over the last couple months and it's pretty clear that guys are buying these things and dumping them right away for some reason. The price is great so I find it hard to believe if the bows have nothing wrong with them that guys are paying $400-$450 for brand new perfect Elite's and deciding to dump them right away again just because they were curious to try them and changed their mind. I don't buy that.

[CelticSavage]

I haven't had an issue with my z28 that I bought. Maybe I'm just lucky. The only complaint I have was in the shipping. The guy didn't ship priority mail.


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[retrieverfishin]

Consider yourself lucky. There are a bunch of guys that are having a bunch of problems. Lots of draw weights not being correct, finish issues, etc.

[CelticSavage]

The Z is my first Elite. I have always been a Hoyt guy. I wanted to try one so I bought the Z. I like it so much I sold my Hoyts


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[todd308]

I'm sure the majority of them are fine, as I'd be willing to bet there are hundreds of these bows out there if the number sold ebay is any clue, especially since the guy is selling them direct if you contact him as well, and I'd bet in his retail store. His ebay feedback is really good but feedback for the most part on ebay is a joke. Most people leave it the moment the item arrives and it's not obviously broken. Then if there is a problem most sellers will agree to be helpful, issue a refund, etc. in exchange for not leaving negative feedback. I'd guess most of it is what I saw locally, bows with incorrect limb deflections, spacers, etc. depending on what G5 has available to build these bows with.

Plus for all we know the guy selling them is between a rock and a hard place too. He's obviously not assembling them, and doesn't have parts laying around so if his buyers have problems I'm guessing he has to go through G5 to try and get parts, or just replace the bow entirely. Though I'm sure he could call up Elite and buy whatever parts were needed as well, but that's going to cost him more money.