Warranty

[Ultramax]

Does Elites warranty go from owner to owner?

[Michael]

No, original owner only.

[Takeum]

I don't think So,,, Thats why you see so many not fill out their warrenty cards,,

[Dave Nowlin]

I don't want to stand in judgement here but, if you are the original owner and don't fill out the card and pass it on so someone else can pretend to be the original owner that's not honest. In the end only you can set the ethical standards you live by. Remember one thing though, "a man is only as good as his word." If a person will cheat the manufacturer. What will he do to you?
Dave Nowlin

[Dave Nowlin]

It wasn't meant as a lecture. More of a caution. Why would you believe someone who would cheat someone else wouldn't cheat you?
Dave Nowlin

[Ultramax]

It wasn't meant as a lecture. More of a caution. Why would you believe someone who would cheat someone else wouldn't cheat you?
Dave NowlinYes you are probably right. I was just asking because I see a guy selling a Synergy XT in the classifieds and he says you will get a "full warranty" with the bow.

[Michael]

Doesn't matter really. The manufacturer knows when the bow was produced and shipped. I am sure they could figure out what is going on when they receive the warranty card 4 months or longer down the road.

I personally think a warranty should stick to the product no matter who owns it, if in fact the problem is not caused by modification or abuse. I would rather see a 2-5 year warranty than a lifetime, that could end in a matter of a few months, if the bow is sold.

[Michael]

Yes you are probably right. I was just asking because I see a guy selling a Synergy XT in the classifieds and he says you will get a "full warranty" with the bow.

Only if he is a dealer, and the bow is finding it's first home.

[Dave Nowlin]

It's funny you would mention that Michael. In the early days of Elite I had a conversation with Kevin about that very subject and have done several posts on AT about it. Seven is the Biblical number of completition. I suggested a seven year warranty on the bow, not it's owner. Elite makes bows not owners. If they feel secure in a lifetime warranty to the original owner, why wouldn't they feel secure in a seven year warrant covering all owners. Eventually they won't have parts on hand to do warranty work on your bow anyway. This would increase the value of a used Elite for it's first seven years. After seven years a bow is obsolete these days anyway.
Dave Nowlin

[Michael]

It's funny you would mention that Michael. In the early days of Elite I had a conversation with Kevin about that very subject and have done several posts on AT about it. Seven is the Biblical number of completition. I suggested a seven year warranty on the bow, not it's owner. Elite makes bows not owners. If they feel secure in a lifetime warranty to the original owner, why wouldn't they feel secure in a seven year warrant covering all owners. Eventually they won't have parts on hand to do warranty work on your bow anyway. This would increase the value of a used Elite for it's first seven years. After seven years a bow is obsolete these days anyway.
Dave Nowlin

Correction... 7 months.:D

[Soumi]

Correction... 7 months.:D
LOL! So true. At least in our minds. :rolleyes:

I think my warranty card said it had to be returned within 30 days to be covered. If someone doesn't send in their card and sells the bow 6 months later, I doubt the card could be sent in and the bow warranted.

[Dave Nowlin]

Actually the card doesn't tell the whole story. Many bow companies today will let you register your bow over the internet. If you buy a bow from a less than truly honest person he could represent that his used bow still had the warranty card. That would be true. The problem is the bow would already be registered in a his name over the internet. What do you think the bow company would think of you if you sent in the card for a bow that was already registered?
Dave Nowlin

[Dave Nowlin]

I'm waiting for Elite to weigh in on my suggestion. Should I have packed a very large lunch and maybe supper too?
Dave Nowlin

[Kelly Sexton]

When I purchased my bows, prior to me leaving the Archery shop they filled out the cards and sent them into Elite. When you purchase a bow direct from Elite they have all the info on fill who purchased the bow (ser.#'s) date of purchase, date shipped etc.... I received my Aigil a few weeks ago and I haven't filled the card out yet but I will in the near future. It really don't matter they know when I purchased the bow. As far as the warranty transfering over, I guess it's the same as when you purchase a used car and you sell it the warranty doesn't transfer over....I agree with Elite the LIFE TIME warranty should only be for the origanal buyer. I purchased a bow through A/T and I was told the warranty was good for no matter who owned the bow, the bearings were shot, the upper cam had a flat spot and when I notified the MFG I was stuck.... The prior owner did not take care of the bow and I found out latter the bow was owned by 4 others prior to me....Can you imagine if the company would warranty the bow for every owner! They would loose money..The MFG knows the origanl owner paid good money for the bow and the MFG knows after spending that amount of money they will take extra care of there product..........The hand me downs will not as much....

[Michael]

When I purchased my bows, prior to me leaving the Archery shop they filled out the cards and sent them into Elite. When you purchase a bow direct from Elite they have all the info on fill who purchased the bow (ser.#'s) date of purchase, date shipped etc.... I received my Aigil a few weeks ago and I haven't filled the card out yet but I will in the near future. It really don't matter they know when I purchased the bow. As far as the warranty transfering over, I guess it's the same as when you purchase a used car and you sell it the warranty doesn't transfer over....I agree with Elite the LIFE TIME warranty should only be for the origanal buyer. I purchased a bow through A/T and I was told the warranty was good for no matter who owned the bow, the bearings were shot, the upper cam had a flat spot and when I notified the MFG I was stuck.... The prior owner did not take care of the bow and I found out latter the bow was owned by 4 others prior to me....Can you imagine if the company would warranty the bow for every owner! They would loose money..The MFG knows the origanl owner paid good money for the bow and the MFG knows after spending that amount of money they will take extra care of there product..........The hand me downs will not as much....


1. Warranty on a used car does transfer to the new owner, if indeed the warranty is still valid.

2. This is directly related to my statement about the warranty should carry over if the issue is a defect, and NOT caused by abuse or improper modification.

I do not disagree with the manufacturers not transfering a lifetime warranty, I would rather see it be a 2-5 year transferable warranty that will cover defects, including design defects.

[Dave Nowlin]

You know, I'm into fly fishing as well. I have fly rods and reels in 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 10 & 12 weight. I have some very expensive fly reels. One of them is a Billy Pate Tarpon made by Ted Jurasic. He also makes the Tibor line of reels. I bought my Tarpon from a friend who worked in a fly shop. It was used and I found out they now had an improved drag system available for the reels. I called them to inquire about buying the parts to upgrade my drag and also wanted an owners manual. I wanted to buy these things. I was told Ted made fly reels not owners and that all his reels were guaranteed for life and the parts and manual would be sent to me for free. My other reels are only waranteed to the original owner. Next time I need a fly reel especially if I can get a bargain in a used one, whose reel do you think I will buy?
Dave Nowlin

[Playingthewind]

I have enough faith in Elite that if i buy a used bow and have a manufacturer defect(limbs,riser or cams)I really believe they will take care of it whether i am the original owner or not.Now i am talking a bow that is not abused.I have a friend that dry fired his Synergy before he ever paid for it.He was shooting it first to try it and picked up my arrow that was to short for him and drew it past the rest.In the attempt at getting off his hand it went off and the string and cables needed replaced as well as the top cam was bent at the draw stop peg.He paid the dealer for the bow and called Elite.He told the truth as to what happened and they replaced both cams and sold him a new string and cables for half price.I think that is pretty fair for something that was his fault.He is extremely happy with the bow and is shooting it great.I think Dave is making a valid point.Tell the truth when a problem arrises and good things will probably happen.Just my .02.

[Kelly Sexton]

1. Warranty on a used car does transfer to the new owner, if indeed the warranty is still valid.

2. This is directly related to my statement about the warranty should carry over if the issue is a defect, and NOT caused by abuse or improper modification.

I do not disagree with the manufacturers not transfering a lifetime warranty, I would rather see it be a 2-5 year transferable warranty that will cover defects, including design defects.

If it's varified that it is a design defect then yes I agree..But if the bow is sent back and the MFG varifies that it was caused by miss use then the cost of shipping, repairs etc. falls on the owner...

[Michael]

If it's varified that it is a design defect then yes I agree..But if the bow is sent back and the MFG varifies that it was caused by miss use then the cost of shipping, repairs etc. falls on the owner...
I agree 100%. After reading my post again, it doesn't sound the way I wanted it to. I hope you understand I am not against you on this, I am agreeing with your post.

Playingthewind is correct too. Just be honest and all will be taken care of. I am sure the folks at Elite would take care of any issues that are not related to mis-use, abuse, or modification.

[Takeum]

Hey,, It's always best to be honest,, It's just not as conveinent for the poor as it is for folks that have money,,, folks who have the bucks can take the hit more so then a guy who begs for his food at local duncan donuts for a leftover cup of coffee and a day old donut,,, Hey,, what can I say,, It's how I roll,, lol.. Kidding,,,,

[Ultramax]

Hey,, It's always best to be honest,, It's just not as conveinent for the poor as it is for folks that have money,,, folks who have the bucks can take the hit more so then a guy who begs for his food at local duncan donuts for a leftover cup of coffee and a day old donut,,, Hey,, what can I say,, It's how I roll,, lol.. Kidding,,,,Hey if your hungry you live pretty close to Dave. Maybe he will let you come over and eat dinner.:D

[Dave Nowlin]

Man, some people don't get it. Honesty isn't reserved for the rich. Nor am I rich. A person can be honest and have a degree of dignity and be homeless. A person can be a millionaire and a liar and cheat. Most people respect honesty and will bend over backwards to help you if you'll simply be honest with them. Being honest isn't a weakness or Achilles Heel as some might expect. It's a blessing.
Dave Nowlin

[Michael]

Hey,, It's always best to be honest,, It's just not as conveinent for the poor as it is for folks that have money,,, folks who have the bucks can take the hit more so then a guy who begs for his food at local duncan donuts for a leftover cup of coffee and a day old donut,,, Hey,, what can I say,, It's how I roll,, lol.. Kidding,,,,


Dave... I think you missed this.

[Takeum]

Easy Dave,, I was only kidding my brother in arms,, heck I just was bragging about you tonight to Mr Ty Davis..... TY , Myself and Cason were all at Everything Archery this evening tuning our Envy's,,, TY got Cason's Envy shooting bullet holes within seconds it seemed,,, His bow was smoking through the crono at 333fps at 29 draw with a peep and D-Loop already tied in,, WOW!,, Cason drilled a 40yrd Bulleye with his 2nd arrow,, The man's a stud I tell ya,, TY Davis and Cason { Cheyenne } and the Takeum ,,live from sunny Memphis Tennessee,,,

[Ultramax]

Man, some people don't get it. Honesty isn't reserved for the rich. Nor am I rich. A person can be honest and have a degree of dignity and be homeless. A person can be a millionaire and a liar and cheat. Most people respect honesty and will bend over backwards to help you if you'll simply be honest with them. Being honest isn't a weakness or Achilles Heel as some might expect. It's a blessing.
Dave NowlinSo let me sum up what I've read so far.
You are the SELF proclaimed Archery help guru
You know more than Elite about thier bows
You are in the same class as Crackers
You get up in the middle of the night to help the S. Africans
You have to jump between here and AT because so many people need your help.
You have high morals and want to press them on others
You have flyrods in weights from 1 to 100.
Did I mention you said you help people?

[Michael]

Where is that popcorn smilie when you need it?

[BAArcher]

:eek: Thats gonna leave a mark!

[Ultramax]

Sorry:o. I can only listen to someone toot thier own horn so long before it drives me nuts!

[Takeum]

WOW,, It's Rick James,,,, welcome to Elite archery there Rick! I knew you'd see the light one day,,

[Takeum]

Hey Bruce,, when do I get out of these forked horns anyway? I almost have 200 posts now,,, LOL Whooooooooo hooooooooooooo!

[Takeum]

Holy Crap Michaels almost has 500 posts,, What do you do for a day job Mike?

[Michael]

Hey Bruce,, when do I get out of these forked horns anyway? I almost have 200 posts now,,, LOL Whooooooooo hooooooooooooo!
Two more to go! Takeum is all grown up.

[Michael]

I have a meth lab.

[BAArcher]

I saw that small enclosed trailer you had!

[Michael]

It has to be sold, so I can expand the business.

[Ultramax]

I have a meth lab.That is too funny.:D:D

[Michael]

That is too funny.:D:D
Hey, it pays the bills.

[Ultramax]

Hey, it pays the bills.I work with a lot of guys who used to have them.

[Michael]

I fogot.... you are the 5-0!

That's what we call our retirement plan. 3 hots and a cot.:cool:

[Ultramax]

I fogot.... you are the 5-0!

That's what we call our retirement plan. 3 hots and a cot.:cool:Im not the 5-0. I keep an eye on the guys the 5-0 relocated.

[Michael]

They don't call you guys 5-0? That is what the cons here call the officers.

[BAArcher]

It has to be sold, so I can expand the business.

If only there were someone we could ask for help on how to expand your business?

[Michael]

I am sensing an explosion coming up, and I don't think it is going to be the lab.

[L-train]

Some big boys a eight point;)

[Michael]

And you are not too far away my friend.

[Ultramax]

I am sensing an explosion coming up, and I don't think it is going to be the lab.:eek::eek::eek::eek:

[FEDIE316]

I work with a lot of guys who used to have them.

LOL, Ditto!

[Dave Nowlin]

Ultramax, I could take your bait, but I won't. Those who I have helped know who they are. I haven't charged anybody a cent for my help. I often call people because it's more personal than typing. I pay for unlimited long distance because of my home office business. So I call people if they need help and send me their phoone number. Why shouldn't I? That way it won't cost them or me. If wanting to help people is a crime. I plead guilty. I'm not the only person on this site who goes back and forth to AT. I have friends there. I believe I also have some here. If you choose not to be among them, well that's your business. When talking with you on the phone awhile back, I thought you told me you were in the corrections business. I would have thought in that business you would certainly realize the need for morality. Many of those folks wouldn't be in the trouble they're in if they had morals. As for Crackers, we're friends and speak regularly. I have great respect for him and feel he has respect for me too. I don't remember saying we are equals. I hope that covers all the issues you believe you have with me. If not and you have questions please express them. I'll do my best to answer all of them as honestly as I can.
Dave Nowlin

[Ultramax]

Ultramax, I could take your bait, but I won't. Those who I have helped know who they are. I haven't charged anybody a cent for my help. I often call people because it's more personal than typing. I pay for unlimited long distance because of my home office business. So I call people if they need help and send me their phoone number. Why shouldn't I? That way it won't cost them or me. If wanting to help people is a crime. I plead guilty. I'm not the only person on this site who goes back and forth to AT. I have friends there. I believe I also have some here. If you choose not to be among them, well that's your business. When talking with you on the phone awhile back, I thought you told me you were in the corrections business. I would have thought in that business you would certainly realize the need for morality. Many of those folks wouldn't be in the trouble they're in if they had morals. As for Crackers, we're friends and speak regularly. I have great respect for him and feel he has respect for me too. I don't remember saying we are equals. I hope that covers all the issues you believe you have with me. If not and you have questions please express them. I'll do my best to answer all of them as honestly as I can.
Dave NowlinDave im not saying I dont want to be your friend and I agree with you that honesty is the best policy however...people on an archery site are not looking for a lecture on morality. Crackers is a great bow tuner but he did not get there by going on a website and posting how he has helped people all over the world. If you truly are a help to those people they will say it for you. I may have jumped to conclusion too quickly and if I did i apologize.

[Michael]

Who wants to hit the crack... I mean peace pipe?

[Ultramax]

Who wants to hit the crack... I mean peace pipe?Looks like I picked a bad day to quit sniffin glue.

[Takeum]

And you are not too far away my friend.

Hey Sportin like a Big Dog now hey? Hey,, that makes me what,, Im 200 now,, LOL

[Michael]

Takeum has arrived!

[Takeum]

Oh yea,,Check out the 4 pointer,, ,, Sweet!

[Takeum]

Takeum has arrived!

michael,, you need to layoff the crackpipe buddy,, Your on here way too much! LOL,, Kidding buddy,, congrats on eth Nice 8 Point Rack!

[Takeum]

Hey it's a Rack Attack! lol Reminds me of the news the othernight,, a guy was attacked buy a Buck....LOL,,,

[Dave Nowlin]

Am I on the wrong site. Is it forbidden for an archer to care for others and try to help others. For 18 years I was a Methodist Lay Speaker who occassionaly filled a pulpit when a pastor was absent. Today I'm Cumberland Presbyterian and still help out. My wife and I are involved in nursing home ministry. I was a baseball coach when my kids were little. I am a Past Master of my masonic lodge. I didn't do any of these things seeking praise. Some of us are simply volunteers. We enjoy helping others when we can. Would it be right for me to occassionaly stand in the pulpit if I wasn't that sort of person? Would our Lord refude to help a person in need? Enough preaching. I'm going to bed. Good night all.
Dave Nowlin

[Kelly Sexton]

Remember all..We are to respect each other and the dissensions of others. I'm sure there are a lot of us out here that will bend over back words to help one another. In the war I depended on my fellow soldier and they depended on me. That's what the world needs more of today..I read a lot of different inputs on this fourm and there's a lot of you fellow archers helping each other out. I fell this is what the forum is for HELPING and SHARING info..........

[EricO]

Am I on the wrong site. Is it forbidden for an archer to care for others and try to help others. For 18 years I was a Methodist Lay Speaker who occassionaly filled a pulpit when a pastor was absent. Today I'm Cumberland Presbyterian and still help out. My wife and I are involved in nursing home ministry. I was a baseball coach when my kids were little. I am a Past Master of my masonic lodge. I didn't do any of these things seeking praise. Some of us are simply volunteers. We enjoy helping others when we can. Would it be right for me to occassionaly stand in the pulpit if I wasn't that sort of person? Would our Lord refude to help a person in need? Enough preaching. I'm going to bed. Good night all.
Dave Nowlin


So if you're Presbyterian then does that mean this thread was predestined to be here?(Relax, that's my only predestination material.)

On a serious note, Dave your reputation should preceed you. You are an acknowledged master of the binary cam. I think your viewpoint of the warranty issue is valid. I haven't kept a bow for two years much less seven.

As far as giving back to the community, I don't pretend to be where you are. I just don't think you need to waste the keystrokes to try and justify yourself here. You're already the man. I will probably be calling you for help before long...

Matthew 6:3-4

[Tuskbuster]

OK....... what the **** happened:confused: Thought this thread pertained to warrenty issues.

[Maybee-R]

Morals is always touchy.

[BAArcher]

Morals is always touchy.

Just like religion and politics............

[Ultramax]

Morals is always touchy.Heres a pic of one my morals:D:D

[Soumi]

Love them Morels!

http://thegreatmorel.com/images/naturefront.jpg

[KDS]

Me too!!!!!!!!

[Takeum]

Heres a pic of one my morals:D:D

Y'all sure they ain't those magic mushrooms? Ultra has too big a smile on his face to be plain ol Morel's,,, lol

[Maybee-R]

Heres a pic of one my morals:D:D
Is that cell phone pre set for 911? Reminds me of a joke. put a pic of some ugly woman in your shirt pocket. then hit the beers. when she gets good looking its time to call a cab.:D:D three beers should do it for me.;)

[Dave Nowlin]

Maybee-R, did you quit your day job? It's gonna get awful hungry around your house.:D
Dave Nowlin

[Ultramax]

Is that cell phone pre set for 911? Reminds me of a joke. put a pic of some ugly woman in your shirt pocket. then hit the beers. when she gets good looking its time to call a cab.:D:D three beers should do it for me.;)Joke?? Sounds more like good advise.:D

[Dave Nowlin]

It would be even better to leave the picture of the ugly woman in the trash. Then you wouldn't need a drink.:D
Dave Nowlin

[Maybee-R]

Maybee-R, did you quit your day job? It's gonna get awful hungry around your house.:D
Dave NowlinI was going to say benefits of owning my own company but I think it may be a down fall.:D

[Dave Nowlin]

Hire a lot of employees. When we were in Narvarre, Florida back into October camping in our fifth wheel, the guy in the motorhome next to us had a brick laying business. He said he had about 45 employees. He also said he would be in the Florida Keys in January. He bids a lot of government housing jobs and seems to be doing quite well.
Dave Nowlin

[Cheyenne19]

Easy Dave,, I was only kidding my brother in arms,, heck I just was bragging about you tonight to Mr Ty Davis..... TY , Myself and Cason were all at Everything Archery this evening tuning our Envy's,,, TY got Cason's Envy shooting bullet holes within seconds it seemed,,, His bow was smoking through the crono at 333fps at 29 draw with a peep and D-Loop already tied in,, WOW!,, Cason drilled a 40yrd Bulleye with his 2nd arrow,, The man's a stud I tell ya,, TY Davis and Cason { Cheyenne } and the Takeum ,,live from sunny Memphis Tennessee,,,
Well this is off topic now, but I still have a smile on my face about that.

[Maybee-R]

Hire a lot of employees. When we were in Narvarre, Florida back into October camping in our fifth wheel, the guy in the motorhome next to us had a brick laying business. He said he had about 45 employees. He also said he would be in the Florida Keys in January. He bids a lot of government housing jobs and seems to be doing quite well.
Dave NowlinSorry Dave I missed this. Not alot of employees, small 3 at a time. residential mostly. we do travel around my state and even Alaska once. Friend of a Friend thing. did more fishing than work.;) Ok back to topic. sorry for the High jack.:cool:

[Mxracer532]

I don't want to stand in judgement here but, if you are the original owner and don't fill out the card and pass it on so someone else can pretend to be the original owner that's not honest. In the end only you can set the ethical standards you live by. Remember one thing though, "a man is only as good as his word." If a person will cheat the manufacturer. What will he do to you?
Dave Nowlin

Im about sick of hearing about ethics on here and archery talk! What u think is ethical and the right thing doesnt mean it is for someone else! Some people wont take over a 30-40 yrd shot, some will take 90+ who really cares, who r any of us to judge someone else and say what is or isnt ethical! GET OVER IT and mind ur own bisness!
Not saying that it is right to claim ur the original owner in this case but I do think the company should cover the bow to defects if it wasnt cause by the operator!

Just my 2 cents!

[Mxracer532]

Man, some people don't get it. Honesty isn't reserved for the rich. Nor am I rich. A person can be honest and have a degree of dignity and be homeless. A person can be a millionaire and a liar and cheat. Most people respect honesty and will bend over backwards to help you if you'll simply be honest with them. Being honest isn't a weakness or Achilles Heel as some might expect. It's a blessing.
Dave Nowlin

Just curious dave but R u a preacher? If not u should be! LOL
Kidding!

[Mxracer532]

Am I on the wrong site. Is it forbidden for an archer to care for others and try to help others. For 18 years I was a Methodist Lay Speaker who occassionaly filled a pulpit when a pastor was absent. Today I'm Cumberland Presbyterian and still help out. My wife and I are involved in nursing home ministry. I was a baseball coach when my kids were little. I am a Past Master of my masonic lodge. I didn't do any of these things seeking praise. Some of us are simply volunteers. We enjoy helping others when we can. Would it be right for me to occassionaly stand in the pulpit if I wasn't that sort of person? Would our Lord refude to help a person in need? Enough preaching. I'm going to bed. Good night all.
Dave Nowlin

LMAO **** IM GOOD! :D

[BAArcher]

LMAO **** IM GOOD! :D

MXracer...........You did it now! You are going to ****!:eek:

[Mxracer532]

MXracer...........You did it now! Yoi are going to ****!:eek:

HAHA ur not the man up above so im not too worried! ;)

[Dave Nowlin]

Nor am I. So you can take my name in vein all you like.
Dave Nowlin

[Mxracer532]

Nor am I. So you can take my name in vein all you like.
Dave Nowlin

Who took ur name in vein?

[Elite_Brad]

Ok guys, I'm locking this thread before it gets out of hand. We need to stop the bashing here and over at AT.

[EricO]

Ok guys, I'm locking this thread before it gets out of hand. We need to stop the bashing here and over at AT.

Fair enough.

[Dave Nowlin]

No one that I know of. But it was jokingly insinuated that you would go to **** and you astutely remarked that only God has that authority. Any one can take my name in vein, but please not His. And no I didn't say you did that either.:D
Dave Nowlin