3/d game or practice?

[Maybee-R]

I wonder after talking to some friends how many use 3/d for hunting practice?
And how many use it for what it was designed for. target archery?
I for one don't like the placement of the scoring rings for Hunting practice.
But it is a game I truly enjoy. do you think 3/d causes bad ideas for hunting? or can most of us realize its just a game. for fun.

Its easy for me because we don't have Whitetail deer were I live. or black bucks and alligators. or the goofiest one of all the little Dinosaur.:D

[Michael]

I use 3D for both. I love to shoot any kind of target archery, but as hunting season approaches, I will shoot for shot placement and ignore the scoring rings. I don't turn in a score card when I am practicing for hunting, and I try to find a more difficult spot to shoot from too.

[BAArcher]

I hace done both. when in 3D mode, I pick a spot that will score....When in Hunting practice mode, a kill shot.

[shootstraight]

For me it's quite similar, it's about picking a spot. I have become better at judging yardage since getting more involved and I pick a spot better when hunting. Just because the 10 ring might be up in the shoulder doesn't mean I'm shooting there when I hunt. Towards the latter half of the summer me and my buds go into hunting mode and just shoot our hunting rigs and try and challenge each other with off lane shots and angles that you might have in hunting.

[L-train]

The Bad it causes for me is shooting 3D at a torney is on many targets a good kill shot doesnt score as well. I always try to punch the heart low behind shldr and shoot first and foremost to be proficient for hunting.

[shootstraight]

The Bad it causes for me is shooting 3D at a torney is on many targets a good kill shot doesnt score as well. I always try to punch the heart low behind shldr and shoot first and foremost to be proficient for hunting.

I agree, but the foam is already dead your really shooting for points :D

[Maybee-R]

I know what you mean a heart scores a five most of the time. and If I shoot a 12 while hunting its a good chance for a wounded animal. But most of us know the difference. I worry about the novice archer that doesn't.

[bowhunter79]

I use it for both. I love the competition. But you have to be good at judging the distance to the target and that helps me for hunting. Guessing the right yardage and placing the arrow in the spot weather it be a 12 ring or the heart is what bow hunting and 3-d are all about.

[L-train]

I agree, but the foam is already dead your really shooting for points :D
Oh I understand that, what literally happens is the pin will setttle in where I want for a kill then I know I got get back a bit or whathaveyou and fight a steady hold off of where I would aim, hunting:o

[BAArcher]

Oh I understand that, what literally happens is the pin will setttle in where I want for a kill then I know I got get back a bit or whathaveyou and fight a steady hold off of where I would aim, hunting:o

Oh, here we go! I can hear the old L-Train-a-blowin....."I shot that "5" on purpose....It was a good kill shot!"

[L-train]

hea we dont have enough variety of smilies to respond to this!

[FEDIE316]

I only shoot 3D for hunting practice. I could care less about scores I just like doing it because its fun and it really helps to sharpen yardage estimation. It's funny, I have friends that I shoot with that have their scopes and long stabilizers and binoculars, they are excellent shots, the difference is they are looking for points and I am looking for a killing shot! :D

[Archer 1]

It doesnt really matter if your shooting for fun or shooting for the 12 ring.There is no question that shooting 3-d is going to help you develope the skills needed to be successfull at hunting.Judging yardage,shot placement,picking a spot,and knowing you have the ability to put the arrow exactly where you want it are what its all about!

[shootstraight]

Oh I understand that, what literally happens is the pin will setttle in where I want for a kill then I know I got get back a bit or whathaveyou and fight a steady hold off of where I would aim, hunting:o

Yeah, I know what your saying, kinda like when someone has a bright arrow in the target already. It's hard to not wander over to it.

[L-train]

Yeah, I know what your saying, kinda like when someone has a bright arrow in the target already. It's hard to not wander over to it.

Yep thtats why I got neon orange vanes and shoot heavy axis arrow, I make the pther shooters pull my arrow, tire them out and mislead em, I might have a chance then:p:p:D:D

[Maybee-R]

It doesnt really matter if your shooting for fun or shooting for the 12 ring.There is no question that shooting 3-d is going to help you develope the skills needed to be successfull at hunting.Judging yardage,shot placement,picking a spot,and knowing you have the ability to put the arrow exactly where you want it are what its all about!
I agree with you. the thing I'm asking is will the Novice guy that doesn't know the difference be mislead aiming at a 3/d score ring on a live animal?
some of the score rings are set up for a down ward angle. like shooting out of a treestand. and the Elk for one, you shoot a 12 on a real elk your hitting the shoulder bone. I wish they would put the score rings in the correct spots for a stalking hunter.

[L-train]

I agree with you. the thing I'm asking is will the Novice guy that doesn't know the difference be mislead aiming at a 3/d score ring on a live animal?
some of the score rings are set up for a down ward angle. like shooting out of a treestand. and the Elk for one, you shoot a 12 on a real elk your hitting the shoulder bone. I wish they would put the score rings in the correct spots for a stalking hunter.

I agree 100%

and its why 450grns of silverflame tipped death from a Envy or GTO(for your future reference) is sooooooo nice, what shoulder:D

[Kelly Sexton]

As for myself. I like the 3-D shoots, because it really helps me with judging yardage for hunting. Yes, some of the ring spots are not located were I would shoot for a kill shot, but it really helps you with arrow placement. It helps me with my form,focus and concentration. Also it's alot of fun meeting other fellow archers and sharing stories and ideas....

[BAArcher]

As for myself. I like the 3-D shoots, because it really helps me with judging yardage for hunting. Yes, some of the ring spots are not located were I would shoot for a kill shot, but it really helps you with arrow placement. It helps me with my form,focus and concentration. Also it's alot of fun meeting other fellow archers and sharing stories and ideas....

Thats the great thing about 3D shooting! If you can pick that small shadow of piece of foam and hit it, your mental game is on track. With a good mental game, you will rise to greater levels of accuaracy and confidence.

[Kelly Sexton]

Thats the great thing about 3D shooting! If you can pick that small shadow of piece of foam and hit it, your mental game is on track. With a good mental game, you will rise to greater levels of accuaracy and confidence.

Prior to me shooting 3-D, I thought I was pretty good. But now after shooting for a couple of years now, what a big differance it has made in my confidence and accuaracy. Before I would have never taken a shot over 35/40 yards. Now no problem even out to 50/55 yards.....And the best thing about 3-D. Every shoot you attend is a differant challenge....

[shootstraight]

Do you guys think that shooting 3D has affected your hunting in a negative way such as speed of shot? In 3D I'm thinking form and back pressure and my routine. In hunting I don't want all of those things in my mind when I need to shoot quickly, I've never had that much time to shoot in a hunting situation.

[Maybee-R]

I learned the hard way. I use a completely different set up for hunting. its slower and I also sight in with a trigger release. I sight in with a punch kinda instead of a back tension type of shot. Yes I am still way to slow at making the shot.

[BAArcher]

I learned the hard way. I use a completely different set up for hunting. its slower and I also sight in with a trigger release. I sight in with a punch kinda instead of a back tension type of shot. Yes I am still way to slow at making the shot.

That Controlled punch is the way to go for hunting. I too have two different styles, target vs Hunting/Pop-ups.
On most forums if you mention "Punch" all of the windbags get their soap boxes out and tell you all about proper form and.....bla,bla,bla!
I feel it is an advanved technique that if mastered, will be very productive in the right situation.

[shootstraight]

That Controlled punch is the way to go for hunting. I too have two different styles, target vs Hunting/Pop-ups.
On most forums if you mention "Punch" all of the windbags get their soap boxes out and tell you all about proper form and.....bla,bla,bla!
I feel it is an advanved technique that if mastered, will be very productive in the right situation.

I agree, before I got into 3D as much as I have for the last two years that's the only shot I had. My first tournament with my hunting setup I finished 3rd and shot 5 up with something like 7 12's. I always shot when I was coming down and anticipated coming on the spot I wanted. My scores are much better now that I've worked on form and holding on the spot and routine but I still go back to the earlier way when hunting. Drop, drop, squeeze, slam.:rolleyes:

[tacdriver]

I'm with SS, for spot's it's a Evolution, 3d ST3, hunting little goose, and I squeeze the trigger like on a gun.

[Luckiduc13]

Yep thtats why I got neon orange vanes and shoot heavy axis arrow, I make the pther shooters pull my arrow, tire them out and mislead em, I might have a chance then:p:p:D:D


This is the reason I shoot black vanes with black nock, less likely to see my 12!

[shootstraight]

This is the reason I shoot black vanes with black nock, less likely to see my 12!

Now in our part of the country that's called playing dirty. ;) I shoot with a guy who even takes a sharpie and blacks out his nock inserts.

[L-train]

Now in our part of the country that's called playing dirty. ;) I shoot with a guy who even takes a sharpie and blacks out his nock inserts.

I just got some black mini blazers too.

[BAArcher]

Don't matter, if you are in the 12 ring of a deer target, black stands out just fine...Now a bear or boar is different!

[shootstraight]

I personally don't like the black on black thing. I did it for a couple of shoots and I would rather maintain good relations than think for some reason I'm gaining a competitive edge if I shoot black. We've already discussed the fact that sometimes an arrow can draw you to it if it is obvious, so black/black is not as big an advantage as some would think.

Now if you want to get controversial then lets talk about pin nocks :(

[BAArcher]

What I tell everyone in our group is that we are not shooting against each other. If we mark the target so everyone has an good aiming point, we will all turn in higher scores and have fun while doing it.

[L-train]

I just bought black vanes to make some ninja arrows to match a ;)

[BAArcher]

I just bought black vanes to make some ninja arrows to match a ;)

Color coordination is an important part of archery.............:cool:

[Maybee-R]

I have a friend who can shoot. I mean really shoot. He taught me right away to never bring black on black to a shoot. centered 4 of my brand new arrows.:( He can see like a hawk also. I think its why he's so good. I bring lighter colors and he will leave them alone. The guy is cruel I tell you.:D

[BAArcher]

I have a friend who can shoot. I mean really shoot. He taught me right away to never bring black on black to a shoot. centered 4 of my brand new arrows.:( He can see like a hawk also. I think its why he's so good. I bring lighter colors and he will leave them alone. The guy is cruel I tell you.:D

You were schooled!

[shootstraight]

I have a friend who can shoot. I mean really shoot. He taught me right away to never bring black on black to a shoot. centered 4 of my brand new arrows.:( He can see like a hawk also. I think its why he's so good. I bring lighter colors and he will leave them alone. The guy is cruel I tell you.:D


Yeah, I think that eyesight or lack of it is really overlooked. I wear glasses (bifocals at that) and have difficulty picking up certain colors and shadows. On certain days in certain light I can be much better.

[BAArcher]

Yeah, I think that eyesight or lack of it is really overlooked. I wear glasses (bifocals at that) and have difficulty picking up certain colors and shadows. On certain days in certain light I can be much better.

Thats when you just shoot in the middle!

[shootstraight]

Thats when you just shoot in the middle!

Yeah but shooting smart is a hard thing to do when the testosterone is pumping.

[shootstraight]

Yeah but shooting smart is a hard thing to do when the testosterone is pumping.

After reading that post, I hope you understand I'm not talking literally. :eek:

[BAArcher]

After reading that post, I hope you understand I'm not talking literally. :eek:

I didn't think 3D got you that excited........your point was taken. After shooting a course you can always look back and say "Why did I shoot for that 12" or "I can see now that that was not 40 yards".....Been there, did that!

[Mxracer532]

I wonder after talking to some friends how many use 3/d for hunting practice?
And how many use it for what it was designed for. target archery?
I for one don't like the placement of the scoring rings for Hunting practice.
But it is a game I truly enjoy. do you think 3/d causes bad ideas for hunting? or can most of us realize its just a game. for fun.

Its easy for me because we don't have Whitetail deer were I live. or black bucks and alligators. or the goofiest one of all the little Dinosaur.:D

If u didnt think it was good practice for hunting, IN MY OPINION id say u got a screw loose! U still JUDGE yardage as u lots of times do hunting and if u dont know the difference between shooting a foam target for a score and shooting fur for food on the table u shouldnt be doing either!

[BAArcher]

If u didnt think it was good practice for hunting, IN MY OPINION id say u got a screw loose! U still JUDGE yardage as u lots of times do hunting and if u dont know the difference between shooting a foam target for a score and shooting fur for food on the table u shouldnt be doing either!

Its called "negative habit transfer"...When you have to make a quick shot (instinctive) it is possible for your pins to lock onto the 10 ring on a deer rather than a slightly lower desired impact point.

[Maybee-R]

If u didnt think it was good practice for hunting, IN MY OPINION id say u got a screw loose! U still JUDGE yardage as u lots of times do hunting and if u dont know the difference between shooting a foam target for a score and shooting fur for food on the table u shouldnt be doing either!
So you think a guy that cant figure out the difference. shouldn't be doing either? Kinda the way i feel also. But the target manufactures could design better scoring areas.:cool:

[BAArcher]

So you think a guy that cant figure out the difference. shouldn't be doing either? Kinda the way i feel also. But the target manufactures could design better scoring areas.:cool:

I wonder how much archery experience old MXracer has?

[Takeum]

I shoot the targets like I would shoot a deer,,, Only because I dont know here the 10 spot is and really could care less most the time,, I guess then I use it for hunting practice, rather then to be competitive,, lol,,, BUt if someone wants to try and outshoot me,, I'll put'em in the wall,, lol

[BAArcher]

I shoot the targets like I would shoot a deer,,, Only because I dont know here the 10 spot is and really could care less most the time,, I guess then I use it for hunting practice, rather then to be competitive,, lol,,, BUt if someone wants to try and outshoot me,, I'll put'em in the wall,, lol

Thats mighty big talk there fella!

[Maybee-R]

Takeum.
you put'em to shame in Archery. You put'em in the wall in Nascar.:D;)J/K.
Either way I know what your saying.;)

[Dave Nowlin]

There's only one thing I have against 3-D. Now follow my thinking before you object. The targets have scoring rings which are placed for broadside shots. On many courses they are set so you must take quartering away shots. In order to score well you must take a shot which may well be a shoulder shot. That said, let's think a little bit about how we as humans operate. If you practice something a certain way for a long period of time and then are in a tense situation you will revert to what you've trained yourself to do without thinking. You think not? Why do you think elite military and police teams go through so much ammo practicing for different scenarios? So that at the moment of truth they will do the right thing without taking valuable time to think about it, time which might cost someone their life. I believe many of the accidental shoulder shoots which occur in the woods are due to doing what you have practiced to do when the adreneline starts flowing. I believe I would rather practice with field archery which helps a great deal in learning to deal with the wind at different ranges. The target doesn't even remotely resemble any kind of game and won't confuse my old brain.
Dave Nowlin

[Maybee-R]

Only problem with that Dave is my hunting bows shoot 20-25fps. Faster than the speed limit set by the NFAA. Now if you could make them give us a open class for us speed freaks. I will play. Heck I'm even considering buying a bow to play by the rules. But it still doesn't help out my hunting set up. But we could argue over better set ups for each target type and forgiveness and such but I think a guy is just going to have to know the difference in shot placement for a live animal and a targets.

[Clean Shot]

Guessing the yardage is the most challenging thing for me when hunting. I aim tight to the shoulder when going 3-d, my kids and I have a ball we don't really pay much attention to the score:eek:

[Elite@Last]

i have to shoot for score....well... i had to shoot for score cause if not i'd have gotten booted by the archery shop.. now i'm free..(not enough free time with another kiddo to put in the hours at the shop). i always take blacked out arrows with me...guy keeps shooting for my arrow, i go ninja on his :eek:. it's gonna be a lot different this year...should be fun

[BAArcher]

i always take blacked out arrows with me...guy keeps shooting for my arrow, i go ninja on his :eek:. it's gonna be a lot different this year...should be fun

You shoot at everyone else's arrows when they mark a good shot? Why not help the group out?

[Elite@Last]

i try not too honestly...i pick my own spot.. and i usually have to shoot first because i shoot OPEN Class. most of the guys around here shoot MBR.. and i don't know how you operate but i'm not lettin someone take a shot at my 15dollar arrow for the good of the group

[Maybee-R]

If they can take it out, its there's. thats the way I look at shooting first. heck thats why they sale them by the dozen isnt it?:D

[Elite@Last]

i don't know... maybe being that i have to buy two sets of diapers now.. i think a little differently than most..:(

[Maybee-R]

i don't know... maybe being that i have to buy two sets of diapers now.. i think a little differently than most..:(
I remember those days. Your going to need every spare dollar you can save. mine are girls and I still have weddings to worry about.:eek::D

[Michael]

Thank God for little boys!

[Elite@Last]

i've got one of each... a 2 year old girl and a 1month old son....

[Soumi]

Thank God for little boys!

Ha Ha, right on. 3 boys here. Now our oldest son has 3 daughters real close in age. Kept going for that little boy and decided to quit at 3. They are absolutey adorable and I love em to death, but I'm glad we had boys. ;) He better hope they don't all get married close together. :eek:

[Maybee-R]

Thank God for little boys!I have one son also and three girls all grown up and moved away.:D
The girls were way easer to raise then the one boy.:rolleyes:
But we still love the meat head.:D

[Dweis]

I always figured the better shot I become the better hunter I become. I shoot for the scoring rings on the 3-d course because I'm picking a spot, not in the same location as hunting, but if I can hit the spot I want on a target I should be able to hit the spot I want on an animal.

[Maybee-R]

Dweis Thats Exactly what I hope everyone else is doing.:D

[BAArcher]

i try not too honestly...i pick my own spot.. and i usually have to shoot first because i shoot OPEN Class. most of the guys around here shoot MBR.. and i don't know how you operate but i'm not lettin someone take a shot at my 15dollar arrow for the good of the group

Well,..."OPEN" shooters that shoot all black would be asking for someone to shoot at your arrow! Even if we had to venture outside of the "10" ring to get it!!

[shootstraight]

Well,..."OPEN" shooters that shoot all black would be asking for someone to shoot at your arrow! Even if we had to venture outside of the "10" ring to get it!!

Agreed, did that to a friend in HC last year and creamed his arrow. Next shoot he showed up with nice yellow fletchings. :)

[lonehara]

I think any practice is great for hunting. Either way you are aiming at a spot to hit.