Really disappointed....

[mobow]

Our shop got our first '08 Elite in today, the Synergy XT.....Horrible is all I can say. I work part time for this shop, and I had hopes of shooting one this year. Uhhh, no.

I do want to say though, it does have some fine attributes. It is a SHARP looking bow, VERY quiet, very quick, and no hand shock/vibration at all. That's where it stops though. That thing pulls like a freight train, and this is the part I just could NOT believe.....

BOTH CAMS ARE RUBBING THE INSIDE OF EACH LIMB!!! Please tell me we got one that is just somehow messed up, like the upper limb is in the lower pocket.....SOMETHING....Tell me they aren't really made this way....

[Lorna]

Has anyone from the shop called us??


Our shop got our first '08 Elite in today, the Synergy XT.....Horrible is all I can say. I work part time for this shop, and I had hopes of shooting one this year. Uhhh, no.

I do want to say though, it does have some fine attributes. It is a SHARP looking bow, VERY quiet, very quick, and no hand shock/vibration at all. That's where it stops though. That thing pulls like a freight train, and this is the part I just could NOT believe.....

BOTH CAMS ARE RUBBING THE INSIDE OF EACH LIMB!!! Please tell me we got one that is just somehow messed up, like the upper limb is in the lower pocket.....SOMETHING....Tell me they aren't really made this way....

[Maybee-R]

Our shop got our first '08 Elite in today, the Synergy XT.....Horrible is all I can say. I work part time for this shop, and I had hopes of shooting one this year. Uhhh, no.

I do want to say though, it does have some fine attributes. It is a SHARP looking bow, VERY quiet, very quick, and no hand shock/vibration at all. That's where it stops though. That thing pulls like a freight train, and this is the part I just could NOT believe.....

BOTH CAMS ARE RUBBING THE INSIDE OF EACH LIMB!!! Please tell me we got one that is just somehow messed up, like the upper limb is in the lower pocket.....SOMETHING....Tell me they aren't really made this way....

They aren't really made that way. somthing isnt normal.

[shootstraight]

Our shop got our first '08 Elite in today, the Synergy XT.....Horrible is all I can say. I work part time for this shop, and I had hopes of shooting one this year. Uhhh, no.

I do want to say though, it does have some fine attributes. It is a SHARP looking bow, VERY quiet, very quick, and no hand shock/vibration at all. That's where it stops though. That thing pulls like a freight train, and this is the part I just could NOT believe.....

BOTH CAMS ARE RUBBING THE INSIDE OF EACH LIMB!!! Please tell me we got one that is just somehow messed up, like the upper limb is in the lower pocket.....SOMETHING....Tell me they aren't really made this way....

Well lets see:

Own my own shop-$200,000
Stock my own shop-$50,000
Pay my employees-$2,500 wkly
Part time employee posts online that the bows I sell are crappy without my permission, or without calling the manufacturer-Priceless

[mobow]

No, no one has called. We just got it in late this evening via the big brown truck. I believe he said he was going to call tomorrow, or maybe the rep was going to call him......I can't remember exactly what he said now....But the short of it is no...We got it after business hours.

[L-train]

Well lets see:

Own my own shop-$200,000
Stock my own shop-$50,000
Pay my employees-$2,500 wkly
Part time employee posts online that the bows I sell are crappy without my permission, or without calling the manufacturer-Priceless

ROFLMAO :)

[mobow]

Well lets see:

Own my own shop-$200,000
Stock my own shop-$50,000
Pay my employees-$2,500 wkly
Part time employee posts online that the bows I sell are crappy without my permission, or without calling the manufacturer-Priceless


Believe me I see your point, and I am honestly not trying to stir up trouble, for anybody. I was just......surprised is all. For the record, he will be making contact, I just stumbled on this forum and thought I would post up....We got the bow in after business hours.

[shootstraight]

Believe me I see your point, and I am honestly not trying to stir up trouble, for anybody. I was just......surprised is all. For the record, he will be making contact, I just stumbled on this forum and thought I would post up....We got the bow in after business hours.

I understand, but if I were you I wouldn't tell my boss I posted this online.

[Michael]

Our shop got our first '08 Elite in today, the Synergy XT.....Horrible is all I can say. I work part time for this shop, and I had hopes of shooting one this year. Uhhh, no.

I do want to say though, it does have some fine attributes. It is a SHARP looking bow, VERY quiet, very quick, and no hand shock/vibration at all. That's where it stops though. That thing pulls like a freight train, and this is the part I just could NOT believe.....

BOTH CAMS ARE RUBBING THE INSIDE OF EACH LIMB!!! Please tell me we got one that is just somehow messed up, like the upper limb is in the lower pocket.....SOMETHING....Tell me they aren't really made this way....

Actually, there is alot more to say than horrible. How about nothing at all, untill someone figures out what happened. How about, can I get a RA.

Here is a good question, How do you know how it shoots and draws? I don't believe I would draw a bow in that condition. And I for sure don't want a tech that would touching my equipment! If it pulls like a freight train, send it to me, I will replace the cummins in my Dodge with that Elite.

Don't take this wrong, it is not a personal attack on you, but this should have been handled a little better. We are all adults and know that even Elite can make a mistake, what matters is how they, and you for that matter, handle this.

Michael

[Tough Antler Tees]

Our shop got our first '08 Elite in today, the Synergy XT.....Horrible is all I can say. I work part time for this shop, and I had hopes of shooting one this year. Uhhh, no.

I do want to say though, it does have some fine attributes. It is a SHARP looking bow, VERY quiet, very quick, and no hand shock/vibration at all. That's where it stops though. That thing pulls like a freight train, and this is the part I just could NOT believe.....

BOTH CAMS ARE RUBBING THE INSIDE OF EACH LIMB!!! Please tell me we got one that is just somehow messed up, like the upper limb is in the lower pocket.....SOMETHING....Tell me they aren't really made this way....
Hmmm.... this is your very first post & you did not verify where you work & the location. If what you say is true, then tell us. Until then, it is hard to believe.:confused:

[Michael]

Maybe you should post this over at AT.... Oh wait, you will need pictures to even get a response over there.

Boy, I hope I am not showing my grouchy side.... Uh oh, can you guys see this?

[Lorna]

Already taken care of. :)

QUOTE=Tough Antler Tees;2310]Hmmm.... this is your very first post & you did not verify where you work & the location. If what you say is true, then tell us. Until then, it is hard to believe.:confused:[/QUOTE]

[mobow]

Please feel free to delete this.....I really am NOT trying to stir up any trouble, and I think I definetly worded this really, really poorly....I'm not out to bash anything...I was just really surprised is all.....My apologies, and I'm out...

[Lorna]

Your forgiven.



Please feel free to delete this.....I really am NOT trying to stir up any trouble, and I think I definetly worded this really, really poorly....I'm not out to bash anything...I was just really surprised is all.....My apologies, and I'm out...

[shootstraight]

Please feel free to delete this.....I really am NOT trying to stir up any trouble, and I think I definetly worded this really, really poorly....I'm not out to bash anything...I was just really surprised is all.....My apologies, and I'm out...


No problemo, email next time it's not so public. Elite will take care of all, I'm sure

[Michael]

No reason to delete it, just think about the way it could be interpreted before you post something like that. Oh yeah, welcome to the forum. Post away, if you are wrong, we will let you know:D:cool:.

[BAArcher]

Post away, if you are wrong, we will let you know:D:cool:.

I think he found out the hard way! We do have out checks and balances here!!

[Michael]

I think he found out the hard way! We do have out checks and balances here!!

You bet we do. Last time I checked, L-train was way out of balance:D.

[Tough Antler Tees]

Please feel free to delete this.....I really am NOT trying to stir up any trouble, and I think I definetly worded this really, really poorly....I'm not out to bash anything...I was just really surprised is all.....My apologies, and I'm out...
Forgiven brother!

[Takeum]

I had a buddy that works at sportsmans warehouse come on At and started bashing Bowtech for their poor customer service and crappy addititude's. The kid was what they call a Lead technician there and was just sick of Bowtech,, So He started talking about Bowtech this and Bowtech that,,, Before he got 3 posts out,, Bowtech had a spy there on AT and called his Regional Archery Manager call him directly at work that very day and threatened his job,,, Needless to say the guy won't make that mistake twice,, LOL,,, He's even afraid to post up on ArcheryTalk anymore,,,,

[Elite_Brad]

Our shop got our first '08 Elite in today, the Synergy XT.....Horrible is all I can say. I work part time for this shop, and I had hopes of shooting one this year. Uhhh, no.

I do want to say though, it does have some fine attributes. It is a SHARP looking bow, VERY quiet, very quick, and no hand shock/vibration at all. That's where it stops though. That thing pulls like a freight train, and this is the part I just could NOT believe.....

BOTH CAMS ARE RUBBING THE INSIDE OF EACH LIMB!!! Please tell me we got one that is just somehow messed up, like the upper limb is in the lower pocket.....SOMETHING....Tell me they aren't really made this way....

We take any problems very serious and will be taking care of it ASAP. That bow should not have left the factory with the cams rubbing. We had only one other bow like that and the limb was not within tolerance. As for the 'freight train' pull, well, did you eat your wheaties? :D I shoot a 60# and don't have much problem pulling a 70# on the new model.

[Ringtail]

spys...:eek:

[Rattler]

All I have heard is that the draw on the new ones ROCK!

[BAArcher]

As for the 'freight train' pull, well, did you eat your wheaties? :D I shoot a 60# and don't have much problem pulling a 70# on the new model.

Brad!..... Way to go!! Looks like you can hang with the forum crowd!

[Cheyenne19]

I had a buddy that works at sportsmans warehouse come on At and started bashing Bowtech for their poor customer service and crappy addititude's. The kid was what they call a Lead technician there and was just sick of Bowtech,, So He started talking about Bowtech this and Bowtech that,,, Before he got 3 posts out,, Bowtech had a spy there on AT and called his Regional Archery Manager call him directly at work that very day and threatened his job,,, Needless to say the guy won't make that mistake twice,, LOL,,, He's even afraid to post up on ArcheryTalk anymore,,,,

Sounds like that motivated them to respond. Which is more than what most people say.

[BAArcher]

Before he got 3 posts out,, Bowtech had a spy there on AT and called his Regional Archery Manager call him directly at work that very day and threatened his job,,, Needless to say the guy won't make that mistake twice,, LOL,,, He's even afraid to post up on ArcheryTalk anymore,,,,

Bowtech Spy?......,We need to start screening for spies! Quick....To the members list!

[BAArcher]

All of those guys with "0" posts:eek:......they are among us! Thats why Kevin will not spill the beans on future products! ).

[Michael]

Maybe the admins should put a section in for senior members only, that way they can give us the goods!!!

[BAArcher]

Maybe the admins should put a section in for senior members only, that way they can give us the goods!!!

We could have a secret handshake........................

[Summit]

Well lets see:

Own my own shop-$200,000
Stock my own shop-$50,000
Pay my employees-$2,500 wkly
Part time employee posts online that the bows I sell are crappy without my permission, or without calling the manufacturer-Priceless


you sure you didn't mean 500,000 stock
with a pay roll of 2,500 a week and only 50,000 in stock means there is nothing hanging on the walls. You would have to turn entire stores inventory 20 times to keep that pay roll at the min. And if you think about it why would you need a staff with that little of inventory. what could you buy with that 20 bows some arrows and archery accessories, and you would still be short on a lot of items.

I own a hardware store and my pay roll is about 2,500 and I have to turn my inventory 4 times a year to keep it open pay my employees and make a living. My inventory is close to 600,000

[FEDIE316]

All of those guys with "0" posts:eek:......they are among us! Thats why Kevin will not spill the beans on future products! ).

Guess I better start posting then!! :eek:

[Archery-Addiction]

My synergy extreme came in a bit off. It was a 1/4th inch short axle to axle, 1/8th off in brace and the cams were off by a good 1/4th inch. I get the axle to axle set, the brace is perfect and got the cams in sync. After doing so, it pulled a lot better and I gained some speed. It is still a pretty stiff draw, but smooth all the way back. I love the way it shoots though, the groups I am getting are great. I am actually shooting it better than my target bow.

[shootstraight]

you sure you didn't mean 500,000 stock
with a pay roll of 2,500 a week and only 50,000 in stock means there is nothing hanging on the walls. You would have to turn entire stores inventory 20 times to keep that pay roll at the min. And if you think about it why would you need a staff with that little of inventory. what could you buy with that 20 bows some arrows and archery accessories, and you would still be short on a lot of items.

I own a hardware store and my pay roll is about 2,500 and I have to turn my inventory 4 times a year to keep it open pay my employees and make a living. My inventory is close to 600,000


I think you missed the point ;) I'm sure your inventory is higher, it was a joke. :D

[shootstraight]

My synergy extreme came in a bit off. It was a 1/4th inch short axle to axle, 1/8th off in brace and the cams were off by a good 1/4th inch. I get the axle to axle set, the brace is perfect and got the cams in sync. After doing so, it pulled a lot better and I gained some speed. It is still a pretty stiff draw, but smooth all the way back. I love the way it shoots though, the groups I am getting are great. I am actually shooting it better than my target bow.


Sounds good, hopefully mine will come specked out, if not I know where to send it. :)

[Mxracer532]

We take any problems very serious and will be taking care of it ASAP. That bow should not have left the factory with the cams rubbing. We had only one other bow like that and the limb was not within tolerance. As for the 'freight train' pull, well, did you eat your wheaties? :D I shoot a 60# and don't have much problem pulling a 70# on the new model.

HAHA I dont think he has ever eatin wheaties if he thinks it pulls like a freight train, Im right handed and am legally blind in my right eye so i have to shoot lefty and have no probems what so ever pulling my 72lb Synergy! :D

[jsasker]

The bow he was griping about was not setup properly.

[Maybee-R]

If the cams rubbed than it was probably dragging and make it even harder to pull back.

[jsasker]

I'm curious as to what happened to that bow in question(how did it get that way?)Missing shim or spacer?Perhaps they just got the wrong limbs for that bow?

[Chance]

Glad to see Elite is on it and the problem is solved. No one can argue with that type of customer service.

[mobow]

I had no intention of posting anymore, but out of compelete fairness I believe it is owed....

To make a long story short, the draw stop was in the wrong spot for the cam, and when that was moved the draw cycle became MUCH better. It's still pretty harsh, but hey.....those speeds gotta come from somewhere, right? ;)

The cam/limb thing is still an issue, I would really like to see one w/out that problem.....BUT....after shooting it again today 3 times, and depending on the next one I see......I began talking today about ordering one.

I will repeat that the thing that IMMEDIATELY caught my attention was how quiet it is. When I shot it, the only thing installed was a rest......There was some string vibration after the shot, but quality string silencers should take care of that.

I know I ruffled some feathers, and I certainly got off on the wrong foot......But if it's ok, I would like to hang around for a while and see what I might learn about these bad boys....

[BAArcher]

One thing you will find here....Some good folks! You are welcome here and we look forward to you posting and getting to know everyone!

[Tough Antler Tees]

I had no intention of posting anymore, but out of compelete fairness I believe it is owed....

To make a long story short, the draw stop was in the wrong spot for the cam, and when that was moved the draw cycle became MUCH better. It's still pretty harsh, but hey.....those speeds gotta come from somewhere, right? ;)

The cam/limb thing is still an issue, I would really like to see one w/out that problem.....BUT....after shooting it again today 3 times, and depending on the next one I see......I began talking today about ordering one.

I will repeat that the thing that IMMEDIATELY caught my attention was how quiet it is. When I shot it, the only thing installed was a rest......There was some string vibration after the shot, but quality string silencers should take care of that.

I know I ruffled some feathers, and I certainly got off on the wrong foot......But if it's ok, I would like to hang around for a while and see what I might learn about these bad boys....
I think that I can speak on behalf of this forum & say you are more than welcome to be here amongst friends! This is a great place to be!:D

[BAArcher]

Heck, every once in a while, I like to piss everyone off just to give Michael and L-Train something that is easy to post to!

[Elite_Brad]

Mobow, call us monday to get this fixed. Working on the other problem bow we fixed it by just adding a .060 spacer instead of the .050 one to the inside. You can either send us the bow or we can send you the spacers.

[lonehara]

Glad to see Elite is on it and the problem is solved. No one can argue with that type of customer service.

Elite has some of the best customer service out there.:cool:

[Michael]

I had no intention of posting anymore, but out of compelete fairness I believe it is owed....

To make a long story short, the draw stop was in the wrong spot for the cam, and when that was moved the draw cycle became MUCH better. It's still pretty harsh, but hey.....those speeds gotta come from somewhere, right? ;)

The cam/limb thing is still an issue, I would really like to see one w/out that problem.....BUT....after shooting it again today 3 times, and depending on the next one I see......I began talking today about ordering one.

I will repeat that the thing that IMMEDIATELY caught my attention was how quiet it is. When I shot it, the only thing installed was a rest......There was some string vibration after the shot, but quality string silencers should take care of that.

I know I ruffled some feathers, and I certainly got off on the wrong foot......But if it's ok, I would like to hang around for a while and see what I might learn about these bad boys....

You are always welcome here. My post was not intended by be taken as an attack. It just appeared to be one of " this company sucks because..." AT style threads, and I think most of us spend the majority of our time here, because we are sick of the bashing threads elsewhere.

My brand new dually dropped a fuel pump with only 51 miles on it, but I didn't go to the Dodge forum and let everyone know. I called the dealer, they sent a tow truck (not big enough though) took it back and replaced the part, now I am a happy camper. All I am trying to get at, is one crappy bow does not make the company crap. These things happen. I personally like to see threads that say something like this.... I got a new XXXX and these things were wrong with it. I talked to the manufacturer and this is what they are doing about.

Anyway, hangout and enjoy yourself! We will be looking forward to more posts from you.... just make sure you do it my way.:D

















Just kidding!

[TEXAS 10PT]

mobow...listen to Michael cause he knows what he is saying...he is an expert postaholic:eek::p:D....luv ya Michael;)

TEXAS

[shootstraight]

You are always welcome here. My post was not intended by be taken as an attack. It just appeared to be one of " this company sucks because..." AT style threads, and I think most of us spend the majority of our time here, because we are sick of the bashing threads elsewhere.

My brand new dually dropped a fuel pump with only 51 miles on it, but I didn't go to the Dodge forum and let everyone know. I called the dealer, they sent a tow truck (not big enough though) took it back and replaced the part, now I am a happy camper. All I am trying to get at, is one crappy bow does not make the company crap. These things happen. I personally like to see threads that say something like this.... I got a new XXXX and these things were wrong with it. I talked to the manufacturer and this is what they are doing about.

Anyway, hangout and enjoy yourself! We will be looking forward to more posts from you.... just make sure you do it my way.:D

















Just kidding!

What YOU DRIVE A DODGE :eek: Oh crap, there goes the neighborhood. :p :D:D:D

[TEXAS 10PT]

Yeah you would think an engineer would have enough smarts to drive a Duramax;)

TEXAS

[shootstraight]

I had no intention of posting anymore, but out of compelete fairness I believe it is owed....

To make a long story short, the draw stop was in the wrong spot for the cam, and when that was moved the draw cycle became MUCH better. It's still pretty harsh, but hey.....those speeds gotta come from somewhere, right? ;)

The cam/limb thing is still an issue, I would really like to see one w/out that problem.....BUT....after shooting it again today 3 times, and depending on the next one I see......I began talking today about ordering one.

I will repeat that the thing that IMMEDIATELY caught my attention was how quiet it is. When I shot it, the only thing installed was a rest......There was some string vibration after the shot, but quality string silencers should take care of that.

I know I ruffled some feathers, and I certainly got off on the wrong foot......But if it's ok, I would like to hang around for a while and see what I might learn about these bad boys....

No problems here, glad to have you for sure. I'm sure the bow will be great once everything is taken care of.

[L-train]

Yeah you would think an engineer would have enough smarts to drive a Duramax;)

TEXAS

+1 nobody is perfect:p

[Maybee-R]

What YOU DRIVE A DODGE :eek: Oh crap, there goes the neighborhood. :p :D:D:D
Your out numbered there.:) Dodge here also.
Mobow Post away. no hard feeling from any of us.:D

[shootstraight]

Your out numbered there.:) Dodge here also.
Mobow Post away. no hard feeling from any of us.:D

I better shut up then, I won't say what I drive. Don't want any bashing:rolleyes:

[Michael]

Yeah you would think an engineer would have enough smarts to drive a Duramax;)

TEXAS

Chevy Duramax (same options as my Dodge) $54,000.00
Ford Power stroke (again, the same) $51,000.00
Dodge Ram and having enough money to buy more archery stuff PRICELESS.:D:D:cool:

I have the same attitude with trucks as bows. No brand loyalty for me, I drive what I get the best deal on. The only difference is, all of the new bows being made are very good, and all of the new trucks... well, I think they are all over priced, recycled scrap metal that I will loose my @ss on.... Oops, going off on one of my tangents again.

[Maybee-R]

Its ok I drive a Chevy also.:eek: and the work truck is a ford. If you drive a Toyota your probably liking the fuel mileage.:cool:

[TEXAS 10PT]

WOW...is that what Duramax's are going for now? You are right though they are severly overpriced. I have an 05 Duramax and it cost 4 times what my parents first house cost:eek: Now that diesel prices are through the roof I have considered making my own biodiesel. My only fear is not being able to filter the used veggie oil enough to keep my injector pump or injectors clean and keep them from blowing up.

TEXAS

[Michael]

mobow...listen to Michael cause he knows what he is saying...he is an expert postaholic:eek::p:D....luv ya Michael;)

TEXAS

Man, it is nice to be loved!:)

It looks like my hunting trips with out the Treo has caused me to slip. L-train has lefted the station again.... All abord!

[shootstraight]

If you drive a Toyota your probably liking the fuel mileage.:cool:

Well I do and it's not that good. I have an FJ cruiser and it gets about 17 around town.

[Michael]

WOW...is that what Duramax's are going for now? You are right though they are severly overpriced. I have an 05 Duramax and it cost 4 times what my parents first house cost:eek: Now that diesel prices are through the roof I have considered making my own biodiesel. My only fear is not being able to filter the used veggie oil enough to keep my injector pump or injectors clean and keep them from blowing up.

TEXAS

The bio-diesel does not have enough lubrication qualities. Injection pumps, cost too much for me to use that stuff. Yes, the new duramax does cost that much! I couldn't even get a gas burner Chevy for what I paid for my Dodge. Also, I prefer the in-line six of a V8 engine.... more torque.

My next truck will be an F-650 with a Cat engine and an allison transmission, right after the engineer the UGLY out of it.:D

[TEXAS 10PT]

I've got an Allison tranny in mine and they are top notch. I heard that Dodge will soon be getting a Mercedes diesel and that Cummins would evetually be going in Fords. Is the Power Stroke a CAT engine or an International Harvester?....Disclaimer...this is only what I heard so its 2nd hand info.

TEXAS

[Michael]

I've got an Allison tranny in mine and they are top notch. I heard that Dodge will soon be getting a Mercedes diesel and that Cummins would evetually be going in Fords. Is the Power Stroke a CAT engine or an International Harvester?....Disclaimer...this is only what I heard so its 2nd hand info.

TEXAS

Power stroke is an International engine. The F-650 (mini semi) is available with a cat, but the truck I want has an $80,000.00 price tag. I would not forsee the Cummins going in the Ford, or Dodge going with a mercedes engine. The Cummins is the biggest reason so many Dodge trucks are purchased. I know everyone thinks Ford owns Cummins, but that is not the case. At one time Ford owned a large portion of Cummins stock, but that has changed over the last few years too.

[mobow]

Yeah, I'm not sure Elite and Dodge should even be mentioned in the same thread......All this Dodge talk belongs in the Mathews forum....:D

[Playingthewind]

Now you are catching on;).So i guess that leaves Ford and Elite as the other best kept secrets.:D.

[Michael]

Now you are catching on;).So i guess that leaves Ford and Elite as the other best kept secrets.:D.

Can someone lock this thread? It's starting to get out of hand... this is a family forum ya know.:)

[Ultramax]

Can someone lock this thread? It's starting to get out of hand... this is a family forum ya know.:)
Yep now thier useing four letter words.

[Clean Shot]

Well lets see:

Own my own shop-$200,000
Stock my own shop-$50,000
Pay my employees-$2,500 wkly
Part time employee posts online that the bows I sell are crappy without my permission, or without calling the manufacturer-Priceless

Now that is funny!
My XT shoots very well, the cams don't rub and it is very quiet.