Broadheads

[lonehara]

Anyone use Crimson Talon HT heads. If you do how do you like them. Are they fragile or do they stay together. How are they at longer distances.

[BLOWTHRU]

all i can say is spend your money on somethin' else! Shootin Alum is shooting Aluminum.....They mash like tin foil..

Try Slick Tricks UUU won't be sorry!:haha::toothless:

[Wile_E_Coyote]

Anyone use Crimson Talon HT heads. If you do how do you like them. Are they fragile or do they stay together. How are they at longer distances.


...the blades were thin and flimsy. They'd break by looking at 'em wrong. The newer ones (in the past year) have really thick blades, and to me they're sharper. I use other heads, but I think with the thicker blades these might be worth a shot (No pun intended :haha:)


For reference, the wounds I've seen when people have used these have been impressive to say the least. Kinda a screw motion through the animal, so actually more flesh is cut than just a straight-through cut, and since there are cuts 360degrees all the way through the animal, at any point of movement (running, twisting, etc...) they bleed a lot...

Hope that helps, that's all the info I have on 'em...:moustac:

[Rattler]

Go with a solid steel head. I love Shuttle T Locks. Eventhough the Rage is mostly Aluminum, it does have some really thick blades.

[grunter]

Try these mate. These are the best hunting heads we use over here, They are as tough as & fly like fields points straight out of the packet. They are byfar the most popular head we have over here the we use. we use them on all big game as well.
just do a google search for them. woody's outback broadheads australia
You should be able to find them from there.

[marzomi]

I shoot 20-30 whitetails every year with 100gr Slick trick mags. They haven't failed me yet in three seasons. Always a big hole and havn't yet come apart except when blasting the occasional rock after passing thru.

[BenR]

Talons are illegal in CO, so if you plan on hunting here...it is something to keep in mind...

[lonehara]

Thank Guys - I have been a Thunderhead user for years but I saw some info on the Talons talking about better bloodtrails etc.. But I had also read some negatives to. So just as I figured this forum would shed some light on it. I have been seeing Crimson Talons here and there for a lot less money and I will bet they are old stock with the lighter blades. Thanks for the info

[marzomi]

The whole "better bloodtrails" thing is another one of my pet peeves. ****, I'm agry these days...:slap:

gimmicks like bleeders and twisted blades and all that other mumbo jumbo is just marketting gimmicks IMO. Sharpness and location of hit and the ability to passthru is what makes for better bloodtrails.

silver flames make much better bloodtrails from my experience than slick tricks. But I shoot so many deer every year being that I particiapate in a lot of suburban deer management that I like the cost effective durability and performance of the slick trick over the GK.

Slick trick makes a much bigger hole but is virtually impossible to get as sharp as a silver flame. It also does a lot of tissue damage with those four steep angled blades at entrance and exit. Believe it or not I have found, in my lab :homer:, that the excessive tissue disturbance at entrance and exit wounds actually inhibits the blood trail to a degree, at least for the first 20 - 30 yards or so. The extremely clean cut made bu the flame bleeds like a thru and thru paper cut.

It just breaks your heart when your 440gr 300fps Silver flame tipped shafts connects with rock on the other side of the deer. :flush: is what you here as you money goes down the :flush:

[4blade]

An option to the silver flame is the magnus stinger. I shoot the 100gr 4 blade and take the head and very lightly run it across a S-24 fine stone from my traditional days. It makes it razor scary sharp, maybe not as sharp as silver flame but then I don't know that for sure because I never tried one. But its sharp enough that the blood trails are not an issue and most animals go only 50 yards or less. I've had elk never know they were shot and die in seconds. If your bows tuned correctly hitting with your field points is a gimme.

[marzomi]

i've tried em, I experiment with everything. One of the benefits of having a lot of game to test on.
They do perform well but are one of the least durable heads I've ever used.

Here's some pics of what they look like after a normal lung hit passthru to dirt. Not even rocks.

Pretty bad if your rig is deliverin some serious KE.

[Rattler]

i've tried em, I experiment with everything. One of the benefits of having a lot of game to test on.
They do perform well but are one of the least durable heads I've ever used.

Here's some pics of what they look like after a normal lung hit passthru to dirt. Not even rocks.

Pretty bad if your rig is deliverin some serious KE.


I am glad I wasnt the only one with the same experiences with Magnus Stingers. I guess that is why they have a lifetime warranty.

[marzomi]

I am glad I wasnt the only one with the same experiences with Magnus Stingers. I guess that is why they have a lifetime warranty.

I will commend Magnus. This happened on all 5 deer I shot with stingers last year. When I contacted Magnus they suggested I try their all SS Snuffer SS. They sent me 3 packs of them to replace the 2 packs of Stingers I bought. The SS's did perform very nicely and held together well.

[Wile_E_Coyote]

Anyone use Crimson Talon HT heads. If you do how do you like them. Are they fragile or do they stay together. How are they at longer distances.


Well, there you have it, Lonehara. They're trash, and we're all apparently susceptible to smoke-and-mirrors gimmicks and advertising buzzwords. :noidea: So use the Slick trick and you should be fine...:thumb:



The whole "better bloodtrails" thing is another one of my pet peeves. ****, I'm agry these days...:slap:

gimmicks like bleeders and twisted blades and all that other mumbo jumbo is just marketting gimmicks IMO. Sharpness and location of hit and the ability to passthru is what makes for better bloodtrails.

silver flames make much better bloodtrails from my experience than slick tricks. But I shoot so many deer every year being that I particiapate in a lot of suburban deer management that I like the cost effective durability and performance of the slick trick over the GK.

Slick trick makes a much bigger hole but is virtually impossible to get as sharp as a silver flame. It also does a lot of tissue damage with those four steep angled blades at entrance and exit. Believe it or not I have found, in my lab :homer:, that the excessive tissue disturbance at entrance and exit wounds actually inhibits the blood trail to a degree, at least for the first 20 - 30 yards or so. The extremely clean cut made bu the flame bleeds like a thru and thru paper cut.

It just breaks your heart when your 440gr 300fps Silver flame tipped shafts connects with rock on the other side of the deer. :flush: is what you here as you money goes down the :flush:

[marzomi]

Well, there you have it, Lonehara. They're trash, and we're all apparently susceptible to smoke-and-mirrors gimmicks and advertising buzzwords. :noidea: So use the Slick trick and you should be fine...:thumb:

I don't know if they're trash since I've never tried that particular head but the tricks are solid performers as are Strikers, montecs, magnus Snuffer SS's. These have been my favorite of the affordable heads.

If you really want the best however, the GK silver flame is the ticket. I save them for special occasions... :first:

[BenR]

Yep, Marzomi has it made. When he wants to try out a broadhead, he just goes out and shoots a deer...Anyhow I agree with Magnus being a good company...I believe they told Marzomi he was shooting too much KE for the stingers and to use the SS instead...Either way I just wish ST would send you some razortricks before the season ends....

[marzomi]

Yep, Marzomi has it made. When he wants to try out a broadhead, he just goes out and shoots a deer...Anyhow I agree with Magnus being a good company...I believe they told Marzomi he was shooting too much KE for the stingers and to use the SS instead...Either way I just wish ST would send you some razortricks before the season ends....

I guess I told you the story when i spoke to Woody. They did in fact say that I was shooting too much KE for the stinger. The SS did work great.

Imagine that. Elite bows need to come with a warning label stating that

"Use of this bow may damage broadheads beyond repair"

Thats pretty cool.


I caled Slick tricks and they said they don't have the razortricks ready yet. I have until feb 16 but they said april 1.

oh well.

[BenR]

Yep, I you told me the situation on the broadheads...I am plagued by a very good memory...

[4blade]

i've tried em, I experiment with everything. One of the benefits of having a lot of game to test on.
They do perform well but are one of the least durable heads I've ever used.

Here's some pics of what they look like after a normal lung hit pass thru to dirt. Not even rocks.

Pretty bad if your rig is deliverin some serious KE.

Well I'm shooting the stingers out of a Bowtech Extreme thats not going 300fps so now I guess when my GTO gets here I'm gonna have to switch heads. Problem is I can't get the Snuffer as sharp as I can the stinger. I've tried the Slick trick, strikers, and montecs and they aren't as sharp as my stingers either although I can get the montec pretty sharp. I guess I have to settle for second best in sharpness :( or suck it up and get the Silver Flames.

Is the razorstick a new head?

[BenR]

Well I'm shooting the stingers out of a Bowtech Extreme thats not going 300fps so now I guess when my GTO gets here I'm gonna have to switch heads. Problem is I can't get the Snuffer as sharp as I can the stinger. I've tried the Slick trick, strikers, and montecs and they aren't as sharp as my stingers either although I can get the montec pretty sharp. I guess I have to settle for second best in sharpness :( or suck it up and get the Silver Flames.

Is the razorstick a new head?

Yep, it is a 4 blade Cut on Contact from Slick Trick...looks like it will be a good head...I am looking forward to trying it...

[Luckiduc13]

BENR why stray from the silverflames?

[BenR]

BENR why stray from the silverflames?

I will keep the sliverflames for elk...but for my other endeavors I would love to shoot a replaceable cut on contact less expensive head. however the silver flames will be the ones I go to for elk and other larger game...

[Luckiduc13]

10-4. I am going to use the silverflames for hogs. Strikers for everything else.

[marzomi]

10-4. I am going to use the silverflames for hogs. Strikers for everything else.

You are going to have a hard time getting the exact same arrow flight from silver flames and compact fixed blades (slick trik, strykers, etc). This isn'ta huge deal but does mean you will have to adjust things when you switch.

I actually have a separate bow for the GK's. Synergies are like potato chips...

[4blade]

anybody know where I can see a picture of the razorstick? I did a search on the net and found nothing.

[marzomi]

anybody know where I can see a picture of the razorstick? I did a search on the net and found nothing.

razortrick

http://www.huntingchat.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=16559

[4blade]

thanks Mike. It looks a lot like a Steelforce Phathead and should work real well. Have you ever tried the Phathead?

[marzomi]

thanks Mike. It looks a lot like a Steelforce Phathead and should work real well. Have you ever tried the Phathead?

I have, but not the phathead. The standard coc steelforce peform great for the most part but i've gotten some occasional tip curling on shoulder hits.

[TEXAS 10PT]

Has Magnus reinforced the ferrule on the Snuffer SS??? I used them in 2006 when they first came out. They did their job quite well but bent two ferrules on two passthroughs. I used the NAP Hellrazor in 2007 and they worked just as good but no bending.

TEXAS

[marzomi]

Has Magnus reinforced the ferrule on the Snuffer SS??? I used them in 2006 when they first came out. They did their job quite well but bent two ferrules on two passthroughs. I used the NAP Hellrazor in 2007 and they worked just as good but no bending.

TEXAS

don't know. never had an issue with them. I have some hellrazor's but haven't tried em yet

[4blade]

how sharp is the Hellrazor compared to the Snuffer? about the same, sharper, worse?

[marzomi]

how sharp is the Hellrazor compared to the Snuffer? about the same, sharper, worse?

IMO

the NAP is slightly sharper out of the package but I never shoot a BH out of the package so I can't say i actually pack much attention to this.

[TEXAS 10PT]

how sharp is the Hellrazor compared to the Snuffer? about the same, sharper, worse?

I would have to agree with Mike. The Hellrazor is sharper out of the package.

TEXAS

[nebling]

A good head, if you haven't tried it yet, is th G5 Montec.

It's a nice mix between a Silver Flame or SS and a Replaceable blade BH. I've shot five deer with the SAME HEAD, and after a slight touch-up from the stone, I'm ready to go again. Flies true and accurate!!

[naturesfly]

I shot two does with the C.T. and they blew up upon impact. Junk.

[marzomi]

I shot two does with the C.T. and they blew up upon impact. Junk.

whats a C.T. ?

[4blade]

whats a C.T. ?

Crimson Talon

[marzomi]

Oh yeah. Threads gotten so old I forgot the original context.

[4blade]

Oh yeah. Threads gotten so old I forgot the original context.

yeah, I know. I had to go back to the beginning and check myself.

[4IDARCHER]

I'm new here so my first reply might not mean much, but I have used several diffrent broadheads before, and the only one that ever has broken up on me was the crimson talon. Now this was when they first came out and I was a poor army guy who only got a little time off, but the first and only animal I shot, a small hog, the head imploded on me. The steel tip pushed back into the ferral and caused the blades to fall out. Now I did hit a little too far forward so some of the blame is mine but it still did leave a bad taste in my mouth, not to mention that is the only animal that I never recovered and I hate that. The new ones might be better, in fact I'm sure they are, but I just could never put another one on the end of my arrow.